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Dear Vishwanath/Friends
The criticism of this statement is totally biased
1. What is being argued is that since the theory that terrorists want to
spread communal violence has not been true or not succeeded there is a need
to look beyond the same thesis, unless we have decided to close our mental
faculties sticking to theories which suit the politics of some.
2. Every criminal must be punished and there is no case for defending the
wrong doer, the argument is that due to communalization of investigating
agenicies and section of political leadership there is a need to develop
mechnisms which can ensure punishment to the guilty at the same time
protection to innocnents.One recalls while human rights are integral part of
our constitution, some commissions for protection of human rights of weaker
section have been formed. And since now due to terrorist violence our
society is sufferng immensly and the present mechanism is not able to
address the issue comprehensively a new mechanism can supplement the
exisitng one. One also recalls Supreme court decisions to shift the cases
out of Gujarat, indicating that all is not hunky and dory as far as our
systems are concerned.
3. The argument that 'Jehadi' terrorists are to be found amongst the Muslim
youth as such is most communal , reflecting the mind set of the writer.
4. Yes Communal party is BJP. It is hte only party, which is tied to the
appron strings of RSS, whose goal is Hindu Rashtra and not secular
democratic India. Not to say that there are other parties which are not
forthrightly secular, are halfway houses but BJP is out and out wedded to
the long term goal of Hindu Nation.
5. While Narco analysis does not hold legal ground it gives some insight to
the issue in conjunction with the total picture, in case of Jehadis as well
as bajrang dalis.
6. This is just a statement and not a total elaboration of the theme of
terrorism. Please refer to www.pluralindia.com for different articles on
terrorism, outlining malady and its relation to global and local politics
and that it is a political phenomenon not a religious one, it has to do with
multiple factors which need to be kep in mind while dealing with the
problem.
best wishes
RP
On 5/16/08, C.K. Vishwanath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Dear dr.ram,
> please read these points and give your comments.
> Warmest,
>
> vishwanath
>
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> From: "ranju radha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 18:58:09 +0530
> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: After terrorists, their apologists strike (was:
> Jaipur Blasts Statement)
>
> it is quite appalling to see how the anti-muslim propagandists target human
> right activists even at a time when one has to restrain from branding
> communities on the basis of the dominant perceptions, of course, spread via
> a virulent caste Hindu cultural mechanism in the country.
>
> RSS might have cut and pasted Ambedkar's photo on its booklets and
> webstes/ online communities
> does it disqualify Ambedkar? NO. on the other hand his critique of Hinduism
> cannot be annulled by these kinds of coopting mechanisms..
>
> talking against humanright activists, these politcal/religious
> fanatics want to bring more anti-human terror laws to harass people..
>
>
> On 5/16/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/15/08, Murali K Warier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2008/05/15/after-terrorists-their-apologists-strike/#more-2897
>>>
>>> After terrorists, their apologists
>>> strike<http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2008/05/15/after-terrorists-their-apologists-strike/>
>>>
>>> *Can "human rights" activists be far behind?*
>>>
>>> We know the routine. 'Concerned citizens' write open letters and
>>> petitions on the pretext of condemning "cowardly acts of violence". Once the
>>> obligatory boilerplate is dispensed with, they come to the point--that it is
>>> the state and its agencies that are really at fault. We've seen this in the
>>> case
>>> of
>>> Naxalites<http://acorn.nationalinterest.in/2008/03/04/naxalites-and-human-rights-activists/>and
>>> as Yossarin points
>>> out<http://offstumped.nationalinterest.in/2008/05/15/jaipur-blasts-expose-more-useful-idiots-and-still-more-dangerous-consequences/>,
>>> 'concerned citizens' have turned up to make a statement in the case of the
>>> Jaipur terrorist attacks too.
>>>
>>> Let's take the statement apart.
>>>
>>> After strongly condemning those behind the acts of terror Ram Puniyani,
>>> Asghar Ali Engineer, Digant Ozha *et al*
>>> write<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IHRO/message/19817>
>>> :
>>>
>>> The worst part of handling acts of terror, which has a bearing on the
>>> preventive measures, is the prevalent theory guiding the investigation
>>> authorities. As per this theory these acts are done by some Pakistan trained
>>> groups who want to spread communal disharmony. On this pretext many Muslim
>>> youth are hauled up and investigation is presented as a
>>> success.[IHRO<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IHRO/message/19817>
>>> ]
>>>
>>> Only political correctness of the most stupid kind will deny that
>>> Islamist terrorists are not the prime suspects. And if you want to track
>>> down Islamist terrorists, you would look for them among Muslim youth. This
>>> is common sense.
>>>
>>> So many such acts of terror have taken place, Malegaon, Banaras, Mumbai,
>>> but how many places have the communal disharmony erupted? Are the
>>> terrorist's fools to repeat the act which is not having the desired result?
>>>
>>> The terrorists failed to spark the communal tinder. Perhaps they believe
>>> that they can succeed. Perhaps they are fools. What do "concerned citizens"
>>> know? And who says terrorists can't be fools?
>>>
>>> Then, the investigations done so far are clouded in mystery and under the
>>> cloak of secrecy. The social audit of these investigations has not taken
>>> place barring an odd exception. The present theory of investigating agency
>>> deliberately overlooks the case of two Bajarang Dal workers getting killed
>>> in Nanded in April 2006. It also does not want to give serious thought to
>>> the narco-analysis of one of the survivors of the Nanded episode who said
>>> that now we Hindus should also do the acts of terror, in front of crowded
>>> mosques, else we will be regarded as eunuchs.
>>>
>>> And where do investigations take place in the full glare of the media?
>>> Perhaps 'concerned citizens' could show examples where they are not carried
>>> out under secrecy. And what's this business of "social audit"? Is this some
>>> kind of constitutional requirement? Why don't 'concerned citizens' put their
>>> faith in checks and balances, the judicial system and the right to
>>> information just like everyone else.
>>>
>>> So the 'concerned citizens' accept testimonies by Bajrang Dal workers
>>> under narco-analysis. But then what about testimonies by *jihadis*? If
>>> police investigate Muslim youth on the basis of the latter, it is a theory
>>> and a pretext. But the testimonies of the Bajrang Dal members requires
>>> "serious thought". The 'concerned citizens' give their game away.
>>>
>>> If they imply that the bombings are carried out by "Hindus" then why is
>>> it that communal riots are not taking place? Surely, those devious Hindu
>>> terrorists who are clever enough to kill people outside Hindu temples to
>>> shift the blame to the Muslims would have planned anti-Muslim riots in the
>>> follow-up phase. Why didn't these happen? The insinuation doesn't add up,
>>> dear 'concerned citizens'.
>>>
>>> They go on to offer recommendations on how we it could all be so
>>> different:
>>>
>>> There is a need to have a National body with due representation from the
>>> socially concerned citizens and Human rights activists who can have a say in
>>> these matters and also who in an unbiased way can go to the truth of these
>>> acts, unlike the ones at present, where the pattern of investigation can be
>>> predicted right in advance due to the prevalent prejudices, which by now
>>> have become institutionalized.
>>>
>>> That's a super long sentence. In simple English, "Let us set up an
>>> upside-down kangaroo court, which will set the suspects go free and indict
>>> the policemen". It takes some chutzpah to demand an extra-constitutional
>>> role for oneself (obviously, who are those socially concerned citizens and
>>> human rights activists but the writers themselves).
>>>
>>> In a way, now communal violence is being substituted by the acts of
>>> terror to consolidate the electoral base by communal party.
>>>
>>> That's arrant nonsense. And the use of the term "communal party" in the
>>> singular is obviously a reference to the BJP. They don't even bother to use
>>> the fig leaf of saying "communal parties" in the plural. They give their
>>> game away again.
>>>
>>> They conclude by summarising their demands. Note that none of these
>>> address how terrorists might be defeated. They are only about how
>>> counter-terrorism can be diluted. So it is not about human rights at all. It
>>> is merely a denial that Islamist terrorists might have been the
>>> perpetrators, an insinuation that Hindu terrorists might have set off the
>>> bombs and an attempt to point fingers at the BJP. Honourable people who
>>> really believed this would have said so openly. To pass them off under the
>>> rhetoric of human rights is cowardly and devious.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In the aftermath of bomb blasts, when Jaipur is gradually returning to
>> peace, the last thing we expect from the acorns or neocons is a semblance of
>> tranquility. But for them this is an opportunity to spread their hate
>> propaganda and further bruise the body politic. . What they term by
>> counter-terrorism is nothing other than terrorizing communities and
>> retaliation based on neat and clear divisions, which in effect is
>> counter-peace through measures like implementation of POTA and such
>> draconian laws. Their grievance is that's state is very 'soft' towards
>> "terrorist" and as Vsaundhara Raje said :*They* have no fear. Hence they
>> have to be stringently dealt with. The mention of "them' left ambiguously by
>> the bjp CM is clearly inscribed in the acorn report.
>>
>>
>>
>> But the liberals vouching for such statements, I wouldn't say cowardly but
>> certainly is devious.
>>
>>
>>
>> damodar prasad
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:53 PM, C.K. Vishwanath <
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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