The so called secular radicalism is built around Reporoductive hetero normativity.What their grass root level activity is to help reproductive hetero sexual marriages.The traditional third world left is in the same position.This is clearly a challenge for these movements.That radicalism is not representing the gramci's modern day prince rather much more brahmanic-upper caste morality. Of course,text books are reproducing the same values.
--- On Fri, 7/4/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: limits of secular radicalism? > To: "damodar prasad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Green Youth Movement" <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 11:24 PM > I agree that my comment touches the present text book issue > only > tangentially. > "Limits of Secular Radicalism" is the thread I > wish to see a discussion > happening. > > May be a failed polemical strategy. > > Any way, let me clarify one of my felt disagreement with > ferocious ( media > driven) politically correct secular 'issues". > > They are built on credentials of radical > "marriage' which often fall withinn > heterosexual > norms , considering women as lacking something. (Thus > arguing for > 'complimentarity", which itself signifies the fact > that one party is > subjugated). > > Groups falling beyond the accepted limits of > 'radicalism' has long been > striving hard to > make their voice heard . > > I don't think that such issues should be treated in > isolation. > > > On 7/4/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I've very severe differences about what you say. > > > > The text book issue and issue you mentioned are > different. > > > > In terms of sexual rights, no much reformation ahs > happened within the > > communities is something true. > > > > The same sort of issue with regard to religious > communities may arise even > > on such occassions. > > > > To consider the compulsions of the government (L/U > DF) as limits of the > > radical secualrism is overstating of the issue. > > > > As in the case of the present text book controversy as > we see the > > controversy on designing of any text books is premised > on the ground that > > the secularims has crossed its own lmits. (Even as I > agree there is no > > particularly harsh things aganist any commusnity in > the present texct book) > > > > I've said this before, in an interreligious, > multi-community society > > designing of curriculum cannot be single-handedly done > by some secularists > > and rationalists. Thats sheer audacity. More > representative voices are > > required. > > damodar > > > > > > On 7/4/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Let's go for a thought experiment. > >> Suppose there is a 'padam' in malayalam > school textbook > >> where the real possibility of marking > "nil" against the column of gender > >> is visualised. > >> Imagine the uproar aginst it. Imagine where our > secular Leftists will > >> stand. > >> > >> No, that shouldn't be a hypothetical > situation. > >> remember the uproar agianst the lessons on sex and > AIDS which was > >> withdrawn ( without forming a KNPanikkar > Committee!!) short while ago > >> following rightwing > >> protest. I remeber M A baby taking a > 'safe' position on it. > >> > >> Also poder over the issue of parental righhts of > women. > >> There the section denied rights through a > government order was "real ", > >> (not putative ) > >> inter religious/caste couples. > >> > >> The order denying parental rigts to mothers is > still not withdrawn. > >> > >> Just to remind those secularists who unleash all > their furor in the > >> textbook controversy. > >> There are points at which you share the concerns > of all extream rightist > >> forces and discourses in Kerala. > >> Particularly on sexual rights . > >> > >> -- > >> Dileep R I thuravoor > >> > >> >> > >> > > > > > -- > Dileep R I thuravoor > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
