Is decasting possible asks Prasad, I have no answer. But there were efforts to decaste, which lead to severe outcasting and social isolations, in our own near past history. You can look back and demerit all those efforts, call them weak or what ever.But there were efforts. A sort of rebelloin against one's own caste Identity , which some saw as a chain not as a previlage. . Unlike what Dileep thinks, i am not resisting, i am trying ( yes trying ) to engage.And here i retreat. Neelan
--- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 6:26 PM Well. that's why you are here uninhibited by a primordial self. Thats why conversing becomes fruitful without developing any attrition. But the issue is about the people outside the caste system and so-called "development models", like Kerala model, well-categorized by the develomentalist discourse as "outliers". The autobiographies have become the markers of our time. It is the people outside the varna system who artculates the deep dismays of living out in a regimented caste order. Let me just mention one: Government Brahmana by Aravind Malagatti. Is de-casting possible? does not it negate the politics of caste-based assertions? On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 5:22 PM, neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Prasad, You know what a " decasting " life some of us lived. But such factors , which are beyond one's control shouldnt be a qualification/disqualification in discourses. Its something like disarming one! I dont want to go autobiographical in a public domain. Neelan --- On Wed, 27/8/08, damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: damodar prasad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, 27 August, 2008, 2:31 PM Well, Neelan sir you are very forthcoming. Caste in not a choice of anyone unless we believe in some im-mmaterial divinity (material divinity is also there!!). The modernist secular self unitedly holds to conveniently to erase traces of caste in appearances.Don't mistake surface to the core!! The class is a cover-up in this respect to avoid debates on the caste -dom that one has been domineering for long. By the way Its all going. Yes the cataclysm is not a fantasy, the tremble is more than real, as yeats said: Things fall apart, center cannot hold..and the ceremony of innocence is drowned". As you may very well-know Class was once again invoked typically by the dominating castes to dissect into caste configuration by way of creamy-layer. What is actually sought from the holders of caste power and the propertariat is to open up, share and equalize the resource, don't hold to what is waning out... basically nothing radical, it is a demand for bourgeois -civil rights. The movement for reservation is only a movement towards de-reservation. De-reserving the constituencies kept secure for ones own genetic generations. By the way I had read you quoting Foucault recently. In Madness and Civilization, he mentions about Ship of Fools.. Ya, ship of fools.. It speaks at large on our contemporary issues than any metaphors. damodar prasad On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:33 AM, neelan neelakandan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am not a dalit , but not by my personal choice. Neelan --- On Tue, 26/8/08, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: Sanni Kapikkad and savarna peace in Google groups To: "Greenyouth" <[email protected]> Cc: "sanil v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 8:10 PM Let me suggest n academic exercise for those interested/involved in social scientific studies of media. Can you check whether there is a SINGLE dalit member who is active in Fourth estate Critique? My hypothesis ( assumption , perhaps) is that there won't be any. And this is not a surprising 'find' but what is 'natural' about all left friend circles!! On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Dileep Raj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Some friends told me that Sanil > forwarded my response to his take in Fourth Estate Critique and > couple of people there are irritated by it. They are particularly irritated > by my reference to Sanni Kapikkad. > > I took Sanil's writing as a public document and responded to > the text (irrespective of my personal friendship with him) > out of the immediacy of the political context. > I am happy that Sanil showed the academic decency to > forward it to the forum where I am not present. > > I am more happy to learn that reference to Sanni Kapikkad > troubled the savarna 'peace' prevailing in so called "left" > private spheres.. > > Intense political struggles will disrupt the elitist > consensus , however they try to keep a safe distance to it. > > Let us celebrate it > Cheers!! > -- > Dileep R I thuravoor > -- Dileep R I thuravoor Download prohibited? No problem. 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