James,
Since the joke comes from the dominant version (I cant see any subversion in the images here), we should look at the history of the dominant version of representation. When we talk about the dominant modes of production of caste images, I think it is useless to try to prove/disprove an argument by searching for the "real" identity of the people, as Ratheesh says. I am in agreement with Jenny (and Afthab). Also, it may be true that political correctness often sound hypocritical. But the contempt for political correctness emerges, I think, at a time "new" voices are asserted. Think of the sexist jokes that are heard among male students in campuses, like "Don't look at her like that, she will complain to the sexual harassment cell". On 10/22/08, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If there is no reality outside the picture, it is neither there in the > picture as well. > I agree that we should look at the history of the representation. > But what does that histroy say to us? > And which histroy are you talking about? > The dominant version of the history? > If it is so, do you comply to that version as an intellectual? > What if I say the images in the pictures look more like that of Brahmins > and Nairs than that of Dalits? > Would you disagree? > If you do disagree, which side of the ideological divide are you partial > to? > > > > > 2008/10/22 ratheesh r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> the ontology that needs to be sought is the ontology of the image >> itself, i think. and not ontology of a 'reality' outside the image. >> how one reads the image is related to history of representations itself, >> isnt it? >> >> --- On *Wed, 10/22/08, James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >> >> From: James Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: [GreenYouth] Reply to Ratheesh >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 6:08 PM >> >> >> I perfectly agree with Ratheesh. >> But we quickly tend to conflate unpalatable images with lower caste/lower >> class and vice versa, when there is no tangible or ontological evidence >> for this in the images. >> Second important question that I raised is this: is it possible to utter >> politically correct jokes? >> I guess these are questions which need answers. >> At the same time all jokes need not be palatable to us. >> I was just questioning the rational with which people jumped at the humor >> of these particular images in the thread. >> >> >> -- >> James Michael >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > James Michael > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
