this one fascinates me also because he thinks that his knowledge of english and little rehtoric wins arguments
2009/1/15 Afthab Ellath <[email protected]> > There is of course a crucial difference between a Nazis and this > Neo-Nazi... During the Nuremberg trials many Nazis did not deny their hate > towards Jews and the crime they committed due to that hate.. But this war > mongering neo-Nazi never felt ashamed of the denial of his muslim hate, > while being itched 24 x 7 by it... > > Regards > Afthab Ellath > > > > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Murali K Warier <[email protected]>wrote: > >> The Eminent Journalist has thrown down the gauntlet. Since my respect for >> him is limitless, I have to take some time off to jot down a few things. >> >> 1) A nation's engagements with other nations should be conditioned on what >> the relationship does to its interests. The danger of bringing in such >> considerations as morality into the equation is the certain impracticality >> of applying it uniformly, and consequently the inevitable charge of >> hypocrisy. The Gulag never came in the way of our being the most intimate >> ally of the Soviet Union. Hindi and Chini were bhai-bhai even as the corpses >> piled up by the millions in the Mainland. Why did our diplomats and leaders >> sup with Saddam Hussein (he later went on to become the icon and martyr of >> the Islamist-Leftist alliance) all the while he was gassing the Kurds and >> the Shiites by the thousands? Should the GoI ask American multinationals >> operating in India to scale back their operations because the US imposed an >> unnecessary and bloody war on Iraq? Should the Bangladeshi mission at >> Chanakyapuri be bumped off because of the country's genocidal oppression of >> the Hindu minority? Should Mahinda Rajapakse be denied entry into the >> Guruvayoor temple because of the Killinochi offensive? Is it OK to keep >> buying oil from the decadent Saudi regime which denies even the most >> fundamental rights to its citizens? Why is Cuba, ruled by a genocidal >> megalomaniac an important ally? Should we sever all diplomatic relations >> with the Iranian mullohcracy which hangs young women for the 'crime' of >> pre-marital sex? Why is Fiji in the diplomatic radar at all, when the Indian >> origin Mahendra Choudhary had been denied his rightful primeministership? >> Did we take out the moral compass when dealing with the kleptocracies of >> Africa? We used to roll out the red carpet for the most odious dictators of >> the world during the heydays of NAM. Without going into the merits of the >> Gaza situation, it can be said unequivocally that it should have no bearing >> on India-Israel relations. >> >> 2) The most bizarre thing about the morality argument is that it should >> come from the Left. Pakistan is a country that has imposed four wars on >> India, is directly involved in the murder of thousands of its citizens both >> civilians and security personnel and has orchestrated the ethnic cleansing >> of half a million Indian citizens from the Kashmir Valley. Not only is >> Israel a country that hasn't done any of these things, but whose assistance >> has helped our country <http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/feb/08kargil.htm>at >> a crucial juncture. Still, you can find any number of Leftists arguing >> for better and friendly relations with Pakistan, more hugs, candles and >> sweets at the Wagah, more frequent buses to Muzaffarabad etc. Why did the >> Leftists and the media drool over the sartorial exuberance of the Butcher >> of Gilgit >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20050522020511/http://terrorism.reallybites.com/musharraf.htm>when >> he came calling for the Agra summit? Forget statecraft, the leftists never >> apply moral principles to their own lives. We haven't seen planeloads of >> FOSA-FOIL guys returning after the Iraq invasion of 2003 or even after the >> 2004 'Jesusland' election. They continue to cling to the coattails of the >> Big Satan, serving its minions, the Evil Corporations. Arundhati Roy hasn't >> yet returned the money she got from the investment bankers Man Group PLC, >> the foulest of the foul capitalists. As with everything else, the Left's >> selective application of morality is nauseating, to say the least. India >> should continue doing the right thing, which means move forward with >> expanding her ties with Israel. >> >> 3) The Palestinian - Israeli conflict is an issue between the constituent >> parties and should be resolved amicably among themselves. I know that the >> preceding statement is a bit too naive and motherhood, as it ignores such >> nuances as Article 13 of the Hamas Charter which explicitly rejects all >> negotiations to settle the issue, and declares that the resolution can come >> only through jihad (read total destruction of Israel and the Jewish people). >> Still it is their problem and it is up to them to find a solution. Making >> India's foreign policy captive to the issue will help nobody and harm some. >> >> 4) Keeping with the national character, some sections of the media >> commentators and political pundits have overplayed the importance of the >> friendship with Israel. Sure, our relations with Israel will yield lots of >> benefits to the nation. However, it is foolhardy to think that Israel will >> fight the war on our behalf. True, both India and Israel face existential >> threats from groups that share the exclusivist, annihilationist ideology of >> jihadism. But the similarities end there. The environs under which the two >> nations operate differ vastly. We will have to formulate our own course of >> action and fight our wars, alone. True, the friendship with Israel will >> yield both tactical and strategic advantages. But it is not a panacea for >> the scourge of jihadi terrorism. That some people oversell it doesn't mean >> the idea itself is without merit. >> >> 5) None of the above, however, means that India should do absolutely >> nothing about the Gaza situation. It should continue making strongly worded >> statements condemning the disproportionate use of force by Israel, urging it >> to minimize civilian casualties etc. After all, this is the best weapon in >> our arsenal which we use when jihadi terrorists from across the border land >> in our cities and butcher our citizens by the hundreds. We should spare our >> best and most effective weapon for our friends, the Palestinians too. >> >> 6) My suggestion that the Mumbai jihadists who attacked the Chabad Centre >> may have been motivated by anti-Semitic feelings made one gen'lman fly off >> the handle and suspect whether I was a neo-Nazi. Now the Journalist doubts >> whether I am a Zionist. I must be the sole living member of this rarest of >> the rare species - a la the Dodo of the Animal Crackers cartoon strip - >> Zionist Neo-Nazi! Anyways, my suggestion should have surprised nobody with a >> modicum of knowledge about the present day Middle East/Muslim societies - >> not the least those who claim to have read so much of 20th century history, >> forget Banu Qurayza, the Khaybar Jews, al-Jahiz, Sirhindi and the entire >> Medieval history. Now, you don't have to take the words of a Zionist >> Neo-Nazi like me, your beloved freedom fighters have themselves >> revealed<http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1218869&pageid=0>that the >> Jewish center was their prime, no-failure target. >> >> 7) I do not wish to enter into a lengthy debate about the Gaza invasion or >> the Israel-Arab conflict, because this is one topic on which a rational >> discussion with the Left is simply impossible (to be fair, not just the >> Left). Not that there are a lot many topics out there that can be rationally >> discussed with the Left anyways. I will just point out that the Eminent >> Journalists and Activists who are so eager to chant 'we are all Hamas' never >> bother to read the Hamas >> Charter<http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp>. >> Nor do they notice such nuggets of annihilationist Jew hatred put up for >> public display on the organization's own website (while urging Muslims >> across the world to attack Jews): >> >> *…a Jewish adolescent boy in an Australian synagogue, a Jewish minister >> in the Georgian government, a Jewish businessman at the New York Stock >> Exchange, and an illiterate Jew from the Ethiopian desert… they all belong >> to the same gang and the same nation, apart from the rest of humanity.* >> >> (Oh yeah...they are only anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic, aren't they?) >> >> No surprises here, however. They don't read the LeT >> charter<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lashkar-e-Toiba>either. >> >> Cheers, >> Murali >> >> -- >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Liberty, if it means anything, is the right to tell people what they don't >> want to hear. >> >> >> > > > > -- Bobby Kunhu http://community.eldis.org/myshkin/Blog/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
