Hi Afthab, My statement has nothing to do with terrorism or any contemporary phenomenon . In fact I do not think that terrorism has something to do with Islam. And speaking about religion , I do not see a religionless future. The quest for meaning is fundamental to being human. The question, then, is not whether religion is fading, but instead how religion can be more pragmatic and scientific to support life in this planet . The future of religion rests in the above reason . Looking at this perspective , I see hope in only christianity. Other religions including Hinduism and Islam will fade away mainly because people have start recognizing its dogmaitc charactor . Science developed in western countries mainly because of this fact that christianity has become less dogmaitc in charector compared to the times of Galilio . I do not think there is any truth in Damodar's statement that Islam has been secular to scientifc inquiries . On the other hand Islam and Hinuism has ignored the developments in science by perpetuting false ideologies. Later they realized that the existence of their false ideologies require the help of science . This could be one reason why they started claiming that religion has already revealed what science proved later . Let us not look at what the actions of church was . But christianity with its less dogmatic charactor and liberal values played a major influence on its people.
--- On Sat, 7/3/09, Afthab Ellath <[email protected]> wrote: From: Afthab Ellath <[email protected]> Subject: [GreenYouth] Re: March -8 To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 7 March, 2009, 10:06 AM Sreenivas, Is it the violence that is now associated with Islam and the rise of communalism in India that compelled you to make such a naive statement? But a slight historical inquiry will help you to find that there is a close relationship between the present day political violence and political modernity. The suicide bomber identified as an irrational attempt to reverse the free-thought and the liberal values is of course is easy and self-serving.. But it has nothing to do with the political reality of the contemporary world... The senseless violence of the suicide bombing is closely related with the violence of modernity rather than Islam... Regards Afthab Ellath On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 6:59 AM, damodar prasad <[email protected]> wrote: Western culture is far superior to that of Asia mainly because of the fact that a liberal form of christianity is far superior to Hinduism and Islam . For defending globalization, sreenivas , do you think we need to go to other extreme. If you go by historical instances, compared to other religions, it is Xian-Papal authority which has persecuted thinkers, scientists, stalled independent inquiries, endorsed colonial-civilizational expansions. Islam, in this sense, has been secular in its "approach" towards scientific inquiries. Hinduism as Brahmnism limited the with democratization of knowldedge while permitting inquiries within caste order. Thirdly, the inter-civilizational network and exchange of things material and immaterial were in place since time immemorial and the idea of "western" is a recent "western" invention. 8:08 AM, sreenivas v.p <[email protected]> wrote: Globalization has many positive effects . One of them is that Indians now got to know about the western culture and start recognizing their individuality . As Hindutva elements say , globalization is destroying our culture . But we should be happy that what is being destroyed is a stupid culture . Western culture is far superior to that of Asia mainly because of the fact that a liberal form of christianity is far superior to Hinduism and Islam . Christianity has become less persecuting , manily due to the work of freethinkers who have made dogmatists rather less dogmatic . In some forms of liberal christianity , the element of dogma is reduced to a minimum . And the western culture has become more sophisticated and pragmatic because of this influence . sreenivas --- On Thu, 5/3/09, Venugopalan K M <[email protected]> wrote: From: Venugopalan K M <[email protected]> Subject: [GreenYouth] March -8 To: Date: Thursday, 5 March, 2009, 5:17 PM Agolavalkaranam in the context of women's rights, just means onslaught on this beloved country's great Culture! Like women daring to visit pubs, daring to defy the dress codes, daring to shatter the values of family and bringing shame to the country and the countryMen, so on and so forth. While Muthaliks and Modys are there in Karnataka and Gujrat at large to fight these evils, who will fight here? Going by the press reports, we find the local police to the leftist- rightist women/youth/students organizations to the neighborhood fraternity vigilance volunteers arrayed in the great task of defending culture. Part of the task of (people) getting opinionated against w omen's assertions, is of course left to the Fourth Estate together with the Samskarika Nayakans and Nayikas of Kerala through rhetoric s and imagery of globalization destroying Culture.... especially by w omen shedding their sense of guilt and shame, daring to express their sexuality in first person, unmindful of the Culture and Tradition! We find in one report after other ,youths being rounded up by the police for no cognizable crime. An item appeared in Malayala Manorama daily on the other day. It was a report under a sensational caption, about an incident at Kollam railway station. Lacking in many details,esp of the legality of the police/railway court's action, the report would mean that two people of different sex, unconnected either through marriage or through blood relation, sitting together and talking is an act punishable with instant arrest and fine! Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter now! Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
