It seems Ranju Radha is unaware of the provisions of the WRB. It does already have provision for 33% quota to apply for the already existing quota for SC/STs. So SC/ST women will automatically get more seats (at least 40) in Parliament if the WRB is passed. I feel that we should call the bluff of Mulayam Laloo and even Congress and say: include a quota for OBCs and minorities to address any genuine misgivings about the lack of representation of these sections - but we will not allow the WRB to be indefinitely stalled or diluted on this pretext.
On 1 April 2010 09:48, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > "First of all, the SC and ST will automatically have their quota (of > reservation) within (women's) quota." > > > How come? unless u make provisions within it? why are u scared of giving > space to Dalit/obc/minority/adivasi women? > > What make one ignore the issue representation of Dalit/adivasi/minority > women? > shear casteism. nothing else > one should have atleast the openness shown by mulayam? > it s shame that these "upper" caste feminists and politicians do not > possess it > tragedy ! > > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Sukla Sen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The "demand" for sub-quota, by no stretch, is a "demand". It's just an >> alibi. A pure and simple "alibi" to block women's reservation. >> First of all, the SC and ST will automatically have their quota (of >> reservation) within (women's) quota. to ask for it is a mere act of >> deception. >> There is no such reservation for OBCs or Muslims in state or central >> legislatures, so there will be none here either. Till some other amendments >> are made. >> >> These selfsame worthies, it is pertinent to note, had no problem with >> women's reservation in Panchayats. Because these are too insignificant from >> their point of view. >> Nor they are known to ever have raised any women's issues other than this. >> >> Sukla >> >> On 31 March 2010 18:38, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Ram, >>> Am rather surprised to see this posting by you, that too asking for >>> endorsement. I thought there had been a meeting by WRAG etc at the Press >>> club and sub reservation had been rejected. Which Muslim women's groups (or >>> other women's groups have you consulted before asking for endorsement? >>> Please do let me know. (Though I have refused to be a vociferous advocate of >>> the Women's legislative bodies reservation bill, the goings on in parliament >>> and the SP leader's absurd behaviour and statements have really offended >>> many of us.) >>> This statement makes a point about Dalit reservation being implemented in >>> Muslim majority areas. Why raise it in relation to the bill for women's >>> reservation? And why does a what sounds like a mainly Muslim male group of >>> upper or middle class professionals (never mind if some women are there too) >>> speak on behalf of other minorities? Which other minority women or women's >>> groups have they consulted? I ask because I have not heard of any such >>> demand from any Christian women's groups for example. If you have, please do >>> let me know. >>> �with warm regards, >>> Ammu Abraham >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: ram puniyani <[email protected]> >>> Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:08 pm >>> Subject: [indiathinkersnet] Women's Reservation Bill- Reservation >>> forDalit/OBC/Minority women- pl endorse >>> To: Ram R Puniyani <[email protected]> >>> >>> > Striving for Muslim Empowerment >>> > Association of Muslim Professionals >>> > 68/69 Umar Manzil, 5th Road, Khar (West), Mumbai 400052 >>> > www.ampindia.org � >>> > [email protected] >>> > >>> > Women's Reservation Bill: Seeking Muslim Representation >>> > Association of Muslim Professionals (AMP), a not for profit, non- >>> > political and non-sectarian organization, endeavours to promote >>> > social welfare, community spirit, and economic prosperity through >>> > education and knowledge augmentation, in the society. AMP had >>> > taken the initiative to provide an unbiased platform, where people >>> > were invited to come and share their opinion on the Women's >>> > Reservation Bill, which was recently passed in the Rajya Sabha, >>> > and will be introduced to the Lok Sabha, very soon. AMP had >>> > conducted discussions and debates on this Bill at various places >>> > in Mumbai, and other cities across the country, and based on >>> > conclusions reached, and feedback from various luminaries, >>> > intellectuals, and the general masses AMP presents its stand as >>> > follows: >>> > 1. The proposed legislation to reserve 33% percent seats in >>> > Parliament, and State Legislatures for women which was first >>> > introduced in the Lok Sabha on September 12, 1996 would only help >>> > women of the elitist groups to gain seats, therefore causing >>> > further discrimination and under-representation of the poor, and >>> > backward classes. >>> > >>> > 2. Reservations for Dalit seats have been made specifically in >>> > areas where Muslims are in substantial numbers, often 50% or more. >>> > So no Muslim can get elected from those constituencies, as Dalit >>> > Muslims have not been granted the 'Dalit' status, in spite of >>> > Ranganath Mishra Commission having recommended it, firmly. AMP's >>> > apprehension is that with women's reservation, the total number of >>> > such 'reserved' seats will further mitigate the chances for >>> > Muslims to get elected. >>> > >>> > 3. Despite having a population of around 16 per cent, Muslims have >>> > only 5.52% representation in the Parliament. Currently there are >>> > 29 Muslim MPs in the country in the 15th Lok Sabha which includes >>> > only three Muslim women MPs (approx 5% ). If 33 % reservation for >>> > women is added to the existing 22.5 % for scheduled castes and >>> > tribes, more than 50 per cent of seats in Parliament would be >>> > reserved. This will result in drastic reduction of the already >>> > ridiculously low representation of the Minorities, especially >>> > Muslims in the Parliament. >>> > >>> > 4. The Sachhar Committee Report, and recently the Ranganath Mishra >>> > Commission have elaborated upon the poor socio-economic condition >>> > of Muslims in the country. As per the Sachhar Committee >>> > recommendations Muslims of the country need pro-active support >>> > from the government for upliftment. The government needs to re- >>> > analyse the Women's Reservation Bill, and make necessary >>> > amendments, keeping in mind the dismal status of Minorities, >>> > especially the Muslim community, in the country. >>> > >>> > 5. AMP is not opposed to women's reservation, but the case of >>> > Muslims, and other religious minorities should not be overlooked. >>> > There should be reservation within reservation for women from the >>> > Muslim and other minority groups. The bill in its current form is >>> > a mockery of the pursuit of societal equality that the great >>> > founding fathers of our nation had envisaged, as it will only >>> > benefit the already dominant classes of the society. >>> > >>> > 6. Women's Reservation Bill was a big hope for Muslim women whose >>> > presence is almost negligible in the Indian political system. >>> > Those hopes have been dashed, because if the Women's Reservation >>> > Bill in its current form becomes a law, there are fair chances >>> > that the number of Muslims may go down. >>> > >>> > 7. This Bill exposes the negligent, and callous attitude of the >>> > major parties towards Muslims, the biggest minority group of the >>> > country. These parties make tall claims about wishing the >>> > involvement of all religious sections of the country in politics, >>> > but when it comes to the reservation of Muslims, they backtrack. >>> > This attitude of the political parties should change if there has >>> > to be any palpable improvement in the development index of the >>> > Muslims, and other marginalized communities. Taking the above >>> > points into context, we, the undersigned, strongly oppose the >>> > existing Women's Reservation Bill in its current form. We appeal >>> > to the political leadership of this country to take cognisance of >>> > the above points and facilitate the representation of Minorities, >>> > especially Muslims in the Women's Reservation Bill, and not >>> > overlook the interests of the marginalised sections of the society. >>> > >>> > >>> >> __._ >> Peace Is Doable >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Green Youth Movement" group. >> To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<greenyouth%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB. >> > > > > -- > " The so called caste-hindus are bitterly opposed to the depressed class > using a public tank not because they really believe that the water will be > thereby spoiled or will evaporate but because they are afraid of losing > their superiority of caste and of equality being established between the > former and the latter. We are resorting to this satyagraha not becasue we > believe that the water of this particular tank has any exceptional > qualities, but to establish our natural rights as citizens and human > beings." > > - Dr B.R. Ambedkar, Mahad Satyagraha Conference, December 25th , 1927 > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Green Youth Movement" group. > To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<greenyouth%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB.
