>> (The bracketed portions are added to clarify for the benefit of those who need it.)
One really wonders, Mr Sukla Sen.... What a leap of argument !!! Afthab Ellath On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Sukla Sen <[email protected]> wrote: > That's an utterly muddleheaded response! > > That's the implied argument of Damodar Prasad (as brought out by me), and > NOT mine. > > The relevant portion is: > Quote > Quote > As if the male leaders in the parties like CPM and BJP have all of a sudden > become non-patriarchal/ progressive/feminist and what not. > Unquote > [That's Damodar Prasad quoted.] > > [The following is my analysis and dissection of *Damodar Prasad*'s > argument.] > What a leap of argument!? > > Anyway, the underlying argument is that the CPM/BJP male leaders are > patriarchal, and hence it is quite kosher for the OBC/Muslim male leaders > to be so. > Forget about the fact that whatever be the reasons, and > howsoever reluctantly and halfheartedly, the CPIM/BJP leaders > are at least supporting 33% reservation for women. > This is [I claim] evidently a clear admission [on the part of Damodar > Prasad]: Yes, it is a ploy, a dirty trick! So what! Everybody does that! > hence, nothing wrong about it. > Unquote > > Where was the scope for any misunderstanding? One just wonders! > > The same muddleheadedness (on the part of Ranju Radha) apparently is > permeated all over (the arguments of Ranju Radha). > (The bracketed portions are added to clarify for the benefit of those who > need it.) > > Sukla > > > On 7 April 2010 06:22, ranju radha <[email protected]> wrote: > >> @sukla >> >> "Everybody does that! hence, nothing wrong about it." >> >> what a great invention comrade. Okay that means since that old brahmin >> marxist EMS was a filthy casteist mysogynist, u can also be so.!! Greeat >> dialectical materialsm >> >> >> And by the by, what on earth made to think that Dalit/OBC/Muslim/Adivasi >> women has no voice at all? lol, this shows the true politics of these lovers >> of WRB >> damn dirty dude >> >> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Sukla Sen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Quote >>> As if the male leaders in the parties like CPM and BJP have all of a >>> sudden become non-patriarchal/ progressive/feminist and what not. >>> Unquote >>> >>> What a leap of argument!? >>> >>> Anyway, the underlying argument is that the CPM/BJP male leaders are >>> patriarchal, and hence it is quite kosher for the OBC/Muslim male leaders to >>> be so. >>> Forget about the fact that whatever be the reasons, and >>> howsoever reluctantly and halfheartedly, the CPIM/BJP leaders >>> are at least supporting 33% reservation for women. >>> This is evidently a clear admission: Yes, it is a ploy, a dirty trick! So >>> what! Everybody does that! hence, nothing wrong about it. >>> >>> And, let me repeat: >>> Quote >>> The "demand" for sub-quota, by no stretch, is a "demand". It's just an >>> alibi. A pure and simple "alibi" to block women's reservation. >>> First of all, the SC and ST will automatically have their quota (of >>> reservation) within (women's) quota. to ask for it is a mere act of >>> deception. >>> There is no such reservation for OBCs or Muslims in state or central >>> legislatures, so there will be none here either. Till some other amendments >>> are made. >>> >>> These selfsame worthies, it is pertinent to note, had no problem with >>> women's reservation in Panchayats. Because these are too insignificant from >>> their point of view. >>> Nor they are known to ever have raised any women's issues other than >>> this. >>> Unquote >>> >>> And: >>> Quote >>> The points here are as under: >>> >>> With great difficulties - for years, the Bill has just scraped through >>> in the RS, after a day's of pandemonium on the following day >>> after Marshalls having been deployed. >>> Everyone understands, in order to kill, or at least stun, the Bill what >>> one has to do is to ask for a version different from the one passed by the >>> RS. >>> That's precisely these opponents are doing. >>> >>> And their concerns for women are well-known. This is just crocodile >>> tears. >>> The example of the Muslim clerics referred to is just a telling >>> illustration. So is the silence of the other opponents of the Bill on the >>> ground of concern for (Muslim and OBC) women. >>> Unquote >>> >>> Also: >>> >>> Quote >>> How the passage of WRB is going to worsen their representation status? >>> At least the Muslim/OBC women will stand a better chance to have a >>> higher representation from within the women's quota. >>> Dalits and STs would of course straightaway benefit. >>> And once the women's quota is there, it opens up the scope for the next >>> stage of the battle (for sub-quota). >>> >>> Evidently, this is a ploy of the OBC/Muslim males to suppress their women >>> in their name! >>> A dirty trick. And that's all. >>> Unquote >>> >>> Sukla >>> >>> >>> On 6 April 2010 13:14, damodar prasad <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> "is a ploy of the OBC/Muslim males to suppress their women in their >>>> name!" >>>> A dirty trick. And that's all"... What an astute observation, Mr. Sukla >>>> Sen? >>>> >>>> As if the male leaders in the parties like CPM and BJP have all of a >>>> sudden become non-patriarchal/ progressive/feminist and what not. >>>> >>>> "It is important to note that right from when it was first tabled in >>>> 1996, the main opposition to reservation for women in the legislature has >>>> always centred on the question of sub-quotas for Muslims and Other Backward >>>> Classes (OBCs), or additional quotas for dalit women. In other words, >>>> despite misleading media images, there has never been a simple opposition >>>> between feminist support and patriarchal resistance. Vocal dissent has >>>> always invoked the interests of the already disadvantaged castes and >>>> communities – *it has never opposed women’s rights as such. Indeed, the >>>> media’s eagerness to demonise backward caste and Muslim politicians >>>> opposing >>>> the Bill serves to obscure the unspoken patriarchy that is at work behind >>>> the scenes in every political party. *How else do we explain the low >>>> presence of women candidates among political parties in favour of women’s >>>> reservations in all the national and state elections after 1996? It is the >>>> silent subversion of the ayes – and not the noisy disruption of the nays – >>>> that is most responsible for the 14 years of exile endured by this Bill" >>>> (EPW edit, March 13, 2010) >>>> >>>> Mr.Sukla Sen is also attempting the same media trick of demonizing >>>> OBC/Muslim leaders.. ... Nevertheless, the media along with its kind of >>>> supporters were able to sell this Cen-Trick to a upbeat upper caste middle >>>> class who till now are opposed to caste-based reservation while being very >>>> vocal about gender-justice!! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. >>>> To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<greenyouth%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Peace Is Doable >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Green Youth Movement" group. >>> To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]<greenyouth%[email protected]> >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth?hl=en-GB. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> " The so called caste-hindus are bitterly opposed to the depressed class >> using a public tank not because they really believe that the water will be >> thereby spoiled or will evaporate but because they are afraid of losing >> their superiority of caste and of equality being established between the >> former and the latter. We are resorting to this satyagraha not becasue we >> believe that the water of this particular tank has any exceptional >> qualities, but to establish our natural rights as citizens and human >> beings." >> >> - Dr B.R. 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