Text, almost full, of a participant's response on another list is reproduced below. (Makes quite a few interesting points, even if one does not agree in toto.)
Sukla Why do people who hate Hillary Clinton and the Democratic machine (for torpedoing and crippling its progressive wing and not going with Bernie) overlook what a rat Vladimir Putin is? Why can't we have a serious, complex analysis? Isn't it possible that what is said about Putin is true -- that he's the gangster leader of a ruthless post-Soviet Union kleptocratic government eager to imperialistically expand? Given Donald Trump's nature and history, of course the Russians wanted him in the White House over Clinton. That seems a no-brainer. Except now with all the flak directed at Trump over contacts, their hopes are not being delivered so simply. Your last two questions baffle me. "Russia helped Trump win the election" by using cyber-war tactics to interfere in our incredibly corrupt and preposterous election campaign -- and in the process specifically to pile on the trashing of Hillary Clinton, which played into right-wing Hillary hatred in the western and southern hinterlands of the USA, at the expense of the eastern and mid-western inner cities where Hillary's popular vote accumulated to no Electoral College effect. That's the "kind of help" they gave Trump. I imagine no one was more delighted and surprised at the Trump win than the Russians; this "success" can only reinforce their efforts to stir up right-wing reactionary votes in the future in Europe. I see it as having little or nothing to do with "provoking Cold War strategies." It has more to do with returning the world to a state of Social Darwinism reminiscent of pre-WWII times when European colonial powers made "deals" with each other and parsed up the world in an imperialistic fashion. Putin and Trump are both, in their respective spheres, ruthless master deal-makers and charismatic, authoritarian male public figures. In this sense -- as an old-style male-power figure -- the Trump gang beat Left Identity Politics at its own game. OK, maybe it's true that hide-bound Democrats and Republicans are hopelessly mired in the Cold War era. But the most important thing to think about concerning this election seems to me that the Trump/Bannon Party (a truly successful "third party") wants to jettison the burdensome, hide-bound Cold War configurations and create new ones based on the idea of deals among newly shaped, revanchist imperialistic powers -- like mobsters in a city meeting to carve up the city. The operating principal behind such cooperation is that there's enough money to go around; why waste it by fighting among ourselves. Meanwhile, some in the Progressive Left seem inclined to play into this scenario. Why? I don't know. Maybe because, like the out-of-powerProgressive Left, Trump is a subversive force inclined to overthrow the post-WWII coalitions the Left hates. If that's true, we could be going from the frying pan to the fire and be the first ones to be burned up. For me, Bernie is still the man with the right message, one of evolutionary reform toward a better, more dignified applied balance of capitalist incentive and cooperative social contract. On 04/03/2017, SADANAND PATWARDHAN <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps, USA N France (may be soon Netherlands where elections are due) are > banana republics that are manipulated at will by the Omnipotent Russians. > Looks like Russia also engineered largest increase in US defence spending > under Trump. > > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Bharat Chintan" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/bharat-chintan. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Peace Is Doable -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Green Youth Movement" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send an email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/greenyouth. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
