Dear Friends,

As friends have pointed out, the second point made in the following reply
is gravely erroneous because the citation pertains to the ICJ and *not* ICC.
That was a terrible slip.
My apologies.

Some of the points that have been provided and emerge are as under.

1. The ICJ is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations,
established by the UN Charter (see UN Charter Article 92 et seq. and the
Statute of the International Court of Justice.  The ICC was established by
the Rome Statute of 1998, which entered into force in 2002, establishing
the ICC.

The ICJ's jurisdiction concerns disputes between states, although it may
also render advisory opinions at the request of UN bodies (e.g. its 1996
advisory opinion on the legality of nuclear weapons).

The ICC investigates and tries individuals for serious crimes under
international law: genocide, crimes against humanity; war crimes, and the
crime of aggression.

Two very useful websites are:
ICJ: <>.
ICC: <> and <>.

2. Apart from that, the list of states that have not recognised the ICC
includes, inter alia: the US, Russia, China, India, Israel etc.
Significantly, the UK, France, Germany, Canada, Australia and the *State of
Palestine* are among the member states.
Ref.: <>.

Here's a rather recent useful account: <>.
It quite significantly posits:
*The court has angered nonmembers by launching probes into possible war
crimes in Afghanistan, the Palestinian territories, and Ukraine*.

3. The US has a history of strongly opposing -- *not* promoting -- the ICC.
A few illustrations:
Quite interestingly, on Ukraine:
<<The Pentagon has been accused of blocking the sharing of US intelligence
with the international criminal court (ICC) about Russian war crimes in
(Ref.: <

*Sorry again for the terrible slip*.


On Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 23:19 Sukla Sen <> wrote:

> Dear Sati ji,
> Thanks for your thoughtful response.
> I. The first thing first.
> The criminality of the threat is just too brazen. Regardless of
> "credibility" or whatever.
> II. <<The Court, which is composed of 15 judges, has a twofold role:
> first, to settle, in accordance with international law, legal disputes
> between States submitted to it by them and, second, to give advisory
> opinions on legal matters referred to it by duly authorized United Nations
> organs and specialized agencies.
> ...
> Only States are eligible to appear before the Court in contentious cases.
> At present, this essentially means the 193 Member States of the United
> Nations.
> The Court has no jurisdiction to deal with applications from individuals,
> non-governmental organizations, corporations or any other private entity.
> It cannot provide them with legal advice or help them in their dealings
> with national authorities.>>
> (Ref.: <>.)
> So, the Court doesn't take up any case suo motu.
> A state has to file a complaint.
> Did any state file a complaint against Bush or whoever mentioned by you???
> If so, please substantiate.
> Sukla
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023, 23:08 Satinath Choudhary <> wrote:
>> There would have been some credibility in ICC and its judgment if it had
>> insisted upon a simultaneous trial of Putin and at the very least GW Bush,
>> junior, for whatever he did in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and around the
>> world, even if they omitted Obama+Hillary Clinton+Biden for what they did
>> in Libia, and continued to aggressions against Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria,
>> and many other places, and omitted Trump and Biden for continuing their
>> continued interference in Syria, Ukraine, Israel-Palestine conflict (via
>> unconditional support of Israel), and many other countries around the
>> world.
>> For the above reasons, ICC does not have any credibility among the
>> peace-loving people of the world.
>> ========
>> However, there does appear to be a ray of hope in the following two
>> pieces of information, one of which was provided by a link to Tass provided
>> in the above message: (Excerpted from: 
>> <>.).I
>> got the other one from a video put online by NBC News:
>> (1) Russia-Ukraine talks to begin on Monday morning — source
>> and,
>> (2) New Peace Talks Between Russia And Ukraine Begin With Mistrust
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2023 at 11:53 AM Sukla Sen <> wrote:
>>> Medvedev is a former President and currently the Dy. Chairman of the
>>> Security Council of the Russian Federation.
>>> <<He [i.e. Dmitry Medvedev] said ICC judges shouldn’t have raised their
>>> hand against a major nuclear power.
>>> "I’m afraid, gentlemen, everyone is answerable to God and missiles. It’s
>>> quite possible to imagine how a hypersonic Oniks fired from a Russian
>>> warship in the North Sea strikes the court building in the Hague. It can’t
>>> be shot down, I’m afraid. And the court is just a pathetic international
>>> organization, not the people of a NATO country. So, they won’t start a war.
>>> They’ll be scared. And no one will be sorry," the official said.
>>> He urged the judges to "watch the skies closely."
>>> The ICC issued an arrest warrant for Putin and Russia’s Children’s
>>> Rights Commissioner Maria Lvova-Belova on charges of "unlawful deportation"
>>> of Ukrainian children. Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov commented on the
>>> ruling by saying Moscow doesn’t recognize ICC jurisdiction.>>
>>> (Excerpted from: <>.)
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