There are very distinct points :
- easyness of installation of gregorio
- use of gregorio : now there are 2 ways to "use" gregorio : LaTex and
Scribus. People who wants to use gregorio must invest in one of these 2
ways. It must be thought of other ones, for exmple, I have used with big
success, oolilypond which allows to integrate lilypond in Libre Office,
we can think of oogregorio. So the point is that using gregorio implies
using "something" else.
- ouput of music.
- true GUI
Elie is figthing for the first point, and problems are more and more solved.
But my feeling is that the 2 lasts point are not of gregorio domain.
I use to say for lilypond that sure, music is present underlying , but
lilypond has nothing to do with music, but has to do with scores. See
http://www.couderc.eu/pierre/textes/lilypond/index.html
This does not exclude a tool to "sing" gregorio "scores" but it is
another project.
I feel that GUI, more than that we have now, is not a good idea(1), but
what I am sure, is that a GUI is another project.
But nabc in not another project, it is a normal extension of gabc to
make better gregorian scores.
I have used Frescobaldi I feel it something like
http://gabc.romanliturgy.org/
So we could think of various new projects : oogregorio, gregomusic,
gregoGUI...
Separating projects when needed is critical to avoid monsters.
(1) Elie has explained the problems.
Le 21/06/2013 09:40, Herman Viaene a écrit :
On 21/06/13 02:59, Br. Athanasius wrote:
I think that Gregorio would be far more complete and user-friendly
ifs there was a gui. Although everyone, and I do mean everyone on
the list has been exceptionally helpful with any question I have had
regarding installation and usage but I think that if a person didn't
have to explicitly install TeXlive(MikTeX, MacTeX) and then TeXworks
or whatever. I think the learning curve could be shaved down quite a
bit. I know of the very good online versions, I have used them on
numerous occasions and they have done what they were supposed to do
but I think Gregorio should have its own with LaTeX(or LuaTeX) built
in and mostly transparent so that a person can just concentrate on
the gabc and not have to worry about downloading, installing, and
learning LaTeX, or fussing with things in a main .tex file.
Off the top of my head, something like Frescobaldi which is an
awesome gui for Lilypond. You still have to learn a bit to be able
to make a good score but at least you don't have to work with two
documents at the same time as you do in Gregorio (the .gabc file and
the main .tex file). and there are many template and export options
(pdf, svg, png).
Well, I had been thinking along the same line, but never formulated
it, because I think there is a major difference between Gregorio as it
stands now, and a GUI score editor.
Gregorio - as I understand it now - knows very little - if anything at
all - about music, but is all about graphics. Example: the notes are
notated in reference to the lines of the score, not to their "musical
tone". All GUI 's I know can play a score, in other words, they have
to interpret the note on the score in reference to the clef, which
Gregorio is totally unaware off. In most GUI's, you can also use
keystrokes to put notes on the score, but again, a G is positioned
differently on a G clef line than on a F Clef line.
So, I fear making a GUI for Gregorio is not just adding some more to
the existing structure, but is adding something quite essentially
different.
Herman Viaene
P.S. I haven't looked specifically at Frescobaldi, so I don't know how
far it goes.
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