On 1/30/14, 11:12 AM, bipin singh wrote:
The protonated and deprotonated states will differ only in terms of
presence or absence of hydrogens, thus in B state only that hydrogen atom
which is intended to be transformed from protonated to deprotonated state
will be altered in the terms of electrostatic and vdw parameters.


Incorrect. The atom types and charges for the whole carboxylate moiety are affected by the removal of the proton. Only H becomes a dummy atom, but the C and both O atoms of the resulting COO- group will be different depending on protonation state. See GLU/GLUH in aminoacids.rtp.

-Justin


On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Ozbil, Mehmet <m.oz...@umiami.edu> wrote:

I see Bipin,

Thanks. One quick question though, am I going to change the charges to
zero or all atoms to DUM atoms for all the atoms in B state or just for the
hydrogen that will be transferred between the states (the atom where the B
state was missing before):

16   opls_270     77    GLU    HE2      5       0.45      1.008

Thanks again.

Mehmet


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Subject: Re: [gmx-users] free energy calculations for reference state for
constant pH MD simulations...

You have to define the B state parameters for your deprotonated state
explicitly.

The following line in your topology does not have the parameters for the B
state.

16   opls_270     77    GLU    HE2      5       0.45      1.008

You have to set the charges zero in the B state (if you want to consider
the change in electrostatic term only during deprotonation) or else change
it to DUM atom (if you want to change both the vdw and electrostatics terms
during deprotonation).


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Ozbil, Mehmet <m.oz...@umiami.edu> wrote:


Thanks Bipin for the reply.

I went through the Gromacs manual, and thought that I managed to
incorporate two states (protonated and deprotonated) in my topology file.
Can anyone who has done it before tell me if I  defined both A and B
states
correctly in my .top file.

;
;       File 'GLUA_prot_OPLS_p.top' was generated
;       By user: onbekend (0)
;       On host: onbekend
;       At date: Tue Jan 28 13:49:17 2014
;
;       This is a standalone topology file
;
;       It was generated using program:
;       pdb2gmx - VERSION 4.5.4
;
;       Command line was:
;       /home/apps/fas/Apps/Gromacs/gromacs-4.5.4-intel/bin//pdb2gmx -f
GLUA_prot_OPLS.pdb -p GLUA_prot_OPLS_p.top -o GLUA_prot_OPLS_p.gro -inter
;
;       Force field was read from the standard Gromacs share directory.
;

; Include forcefield parameters
#include "oplsaa.ff/forcefield.itp"

[ moleculetype ]
; Name            nrexcl
Protein_chain_A     3

[ atoms ]
;   nr       type  resnr residue  atom   cgnr     charge       mass
  typeB
    chargeB      massB
; residue  77 GLU rtp GLUH q  0.0
      1   opls_287     77    GLU      N      1       -0.3    14.0067
opls_287   -0.3       14.0067
      2   opls_290     77    GLU     H1      1       0.33      1.008
opls_290    0.33       1.008
      3   opls_290     77    GLU     H2      1       0.33      1.008
opls_290    0.33       1.008
      4   opls_290     77    GLU     H3      1       0.33      1.008
opls_290    0.33       1.008
      5   opls_299     77    GLU     CA      1       0.15     12.011
opls_299    0.15      12.011
      6   opls_140     77    GLU     HA      1       0.06      1.008
opls_140    0.06       1.008
      7   opls_136     77    GLU     CB      2      -0.12     12.011
opls_136   -0.12      12.011
      8   opls_140     77    GLU    HB1      2       0.06      1.008
opls_140    0.06       1.008
      9   opls_140     77    GLU    HB2      2       0.06      1.008
opls_140    0.06       1.008
     10   opls_136     77    GLU     CG      3      -0.12     12.011
opls_136   -0.12      12.011
     11   opls_140     77    GLU    HG1      3       0.06      1.008
opls_140    0.06       1.008
     12   opls_140     77    GLU    HG2      3       0.06      1.008
opls_140    0.06       1.008
     13   opls_267     77    GLU     CD      4       0.52     12.011
opls_267    0.52      12.011
     14   opls_269     77    GLU    OE1      4      -0.44    15.9994
opls_269   -0.44      15.9994
     15   opls_268     77    GLU    OE2      5      -0.53    15.9994
opls_268   -0.53      15.9994
     16   opls_270     77    GLU    HE2      5       0.45      1.008
     17   opls_271     77    GLU      C      6        0.7     12.011
opls_271    0.7       12.011
     18   opls_272     77    GLU     O1      6       -0.8    15.9994
opls_272   -0.8       15.9994
     19   opls_272     77    GLU     O2      6       -0.8    15.9994
opls_272   -0.8       15.9994

[ bonds ]
;  ai    aj funct            c0            c1            c2            c3
     1     2     1
     1     3     1
     1     4     1
     1     5     1
     5     6     1
     5     7     1
     5    17     1
     7     8     1
     7     9     1
     7    10     1
    10    11     1
    10    12     1
    10    13     1
    13    14     1
    13    15     1
    15    16     1
    17    18     1
    17    19     1

[ pairs ]
;  ai    aj funct            c0            c1            c2            c3
     1     8     1
     1     9     1
     1    10     1
     1    18     1
     1    19     1
     2     6     1
     2     7     1
     2    17     1
     3     6     1
     3     7     1
     3    17     1
     4     6     1
     4     7     1
     4    17     1
     5    11     1
     5    12     1
     5    13     1
     6     8     1
     6     9     1
     6    10     1
     6    18     1
     6    19     1
     7    14     1
     7    15     1
  7    18     1
     7    19     1
     8    11     1
     8    12     1
     8    13     1
     8    17     1
     9    11     1
     9    12     1
     9    13     1
     9    17     1
    10    16     1
    10    17     1
    11    14     1
    11    15     1
    12    14     1
    12    15     1
    14    16     1

[ angles ]
;  ai    aj    ak funct            c0            c1            c2
    c3
     2     1     3     1
     2     1     4     1
     2     1     5     1
     3     1     4     1
     3     1     5     1
     4     1     5     1
     1     5     6     1
     1     5     7     1
     1     5    17     1
     6     5     7     1
     6     5    17     1
     7     5    17     1
     5     7     8     1
     5     7     9     1
     5     7    10     1
     8     7     9     1
     8     7    10     1
     9     7    10     1
     7    10    11     1
     7    10    12     1
     7    10    13     1
    11    10    12     1
    11    10    13     1
    12    10    13     1
    10    13    14     1
    10    13    15     1
    14    13    15     1
  13    15    16     1
     5    17    18     1
     5    17    19     1
    18    17    19     1

[ dihedrals ]
;  ai    aj    ak    al funct            c0            c1            c2
          c3            c4            c5
     2     1     5     6     3
     2     1     5     7     3
     2     1     5    17     3
     3     1     5     6     3
     3     1     5     7     3
     3     1     5    17     3
     4     1     5     6     3
     4     1     5     7     3
     4     1     5    17     3
     1     5     7    10     3    dih_GLU_chi1_N_C_C_C
    17     5     7    10     3    dih_GLU_chi1_C_C_C_CO
     1     5     7     8     3
     1     5     7     9     3
     6     5     7     8     3
     6     5     7     9     3
     6     5     7    10     3
    17     5     7     8     3
    17     5     7     9     3
     1     5    17    18     3
     1     5    17    19     3
     6     5    17    18     3
     6     5    17    19     3
     7     5    17    18     3
     7     5    17    19     3
     5     7    10    11     3
     5     7    10    12     3
     5     7    10    13     3
     8     7    10    11     3
     8     7    10    12     3
     8     7    10    13     3
     9     7    10    11     3
     9     7    10    12     3
     9     7    10    13     3
     7    10    13    14     3
     7    10    13    15     3
    11    10    13    14     3
    11    10    13    15     3
    12    10    13    14     3
    12    10    13    15     3
    10    13    15    16     3    dih_sidechain_COOH_C_C_O_H
   14    13    15    16     3    dih_sidechain_COOH_O_C_O_H

[ dihedrals ]
;  ai    aj    ak    al funct            c0            c1            c2
          c3
     5    18    17    19     1    improper_O_C_X_Y
    10    14    13    15     1    improper_O_C_X_Y

; Include Position restraint file
#ifdef POSRES
#include "posre.itp"
#endif

; Include water topology
#include "oplsaa.ff/tip3p.itp"

#ifdef POSRES_WATER
; Position restraint for each water oxygen
[ position_restraints ]
;  i funct       fcx        fcy        fcz
    1    1       1000       1000       1000
#endif

; Include topology for ions
#include "oplsaa.ff/ions.itp"

[ system ]
; Name
Protein in water

[ molecules ]
; Compound        #mols
Protein_chain_A     1
SOL              4135


Thanks,
Mehmet



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From: gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se <
gromacs.org_gmx-users-boun...@maillist.sys.kth.se> on behalf of bipin
singh <bipinel...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [gmx-users] free energy calculations for reference state for
constant pH MD simulations...

See the section  "5.7.4 Topologies for free energy calculations" in
Gromacs
4.6.5 manual.



On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Ozbil, Mehmet <m.oz...@umiami.edu>
wrote:

Hello,

I am trying to run constant pH MD with GROMACS, and started with the TI
free energy calculations. I am following Justin Lemkul`s free energy
calculation tutorial, and assuming that the free energy calculations
will
be similar to calculate the protonation energy of titratable amino
acids
such as GLU or HIS.

My question is that, while scanning the lambda values for the free
energy
calculations do I need to define both protonated and deprotonated
states
of
GLU in the same .top and .pdb file, or I just use one .top and one .pdb
file and by changing the lambda values from 0.0 to 1.0 it does the
deprotonation itself. If I need to incorporate the two states in one
.top
and .pdb file can anyone help with how to do that?

Thanks,
Mehmet Ozbil
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