Stephen Farrell has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-grow-blackholing-02: Discuss

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DISCUSS:
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First, I have to say that I'm pretty ignorant about
practical routing operations, so my plan is to briefly
discuss this and to then probably move to an abstain
position, unless the issues I raise resonate with folks
who are expert in this space.

(1) I agree with the points raised in IETF LC that the
transitive nature of this proposal has dangers that may
outweigh its utility. Was there discussion in the WG about
potential solutions that do not have the transitivity
property? If so, can you point me at those? If not, is
there a reason to think no such solution is feasible?  (I
suspect the answer may be "no" which is the main reason I
plan to move to an abstain ballot.)

(2) IIUC, this proposal envisages BGP speakers commonly
telling others to blackhole specific /32's or /128's. And
of course as the draft says BGP doesn't provide us with a
way to "prevent the unauthorized modification of
information by the forwarding agent." Given those two
things, this scheme seems to be an ideal new way to cause
any service that advertises a fallback to actually fall back,
e.g to use a secondary MX or DNS resolver rather than a
primary. That seems like a fine way to try and possibly
succeed in attacking many possible things.  The discuss
point here is to ask if this really is a new attack
vector, and if so, if the appropriate level of analysis of
its impact has been done? If this is new, then I don't see
that the security considerations text adequately describe
the range of possible attacks that could be mounted using
this scheme. (As an aside, I wonder if asking to blackhole
/32's and /128's might impact on routing table sizes and
if something ought be said about that?)

(3) Given that there are dangers associated with this
mechanism, why is there no statement in the draft that
actions taken based on this scheme ought be logged or
otherwise publicised as a possible way to provide some
level of accountability, even if only after the fact?


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COMMENT:
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- 3.2: It isn't clear to me how one might exercise
"extreme caution" here - can you explain? Or is that
obvious to the intended audience of this?


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