Why not putting a small config file next to the .plist when uninstalling, which is not being removed with that action. That way, Growl would see that it had been previously uninstalled and a re- install would prompt Growl to explicitly prompt the user, who if he declines adds another line to never ask, but automatically declines the re-install from that point onwards. Of course, such applications like Dropbox can erase that file again, but then they really preying for trouble.
On Oct 21, 3:17 am, Christopher Forsythe <[email protected]> wrote: > This sort of thing makes me uncomfortable. > > What wouldn't make me uncomfortable is if we had a way to just kill > notifying if a user uninstalled before, and our pkg installer wasn't > the thing that reinstalled Growl. But I don't know of a good way to do > that without other problems we've discussed previously on the list. > > Chris > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Tarun Nagpal <[email protected]> wrote: > > Chris, > > > To get back to the issue: Would it be reasonable to block apps that > > install Growl surreptitiously? There wouldn't be much of a point of > > Dropbox installing growl if Growl no longer accepted Dropbox > > notifications. Obviously they haven't responded to a serious issue and > > it seems that this sort of punishment would get their attention. Yes > > it would hurt users, but the long term benefits should be there as > > they clean up their act. > > > On Oct 19, 10:03 am, Christopher Forsythe <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My apologies for Nicholas taking up a large portion of time and > >> distracting everyone. He is now banned, as stated in the last email if > >> he continued on this thread. > > >> Chris > > >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Nicholas Sanders <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > Chris > >> > While I don't entirely agree with you, I have tried to understand what > >> > you > >> > are saying from your perspective - an impossible but worthwhile > >> > aspiration > >> > in any circumstances. It is always interesting (if often painful) to > >> > learn > >> > how others see one, and you clearly have a long memory for my defects. > >> > But if I try to see the world from your side, I think it only fair that > >> > you > >> > try to see it from mine. For one thing, it is crystal clear that you > >> > have no > >> > inkling at all as to why a mere subscriber might take offence at attacks > >> > on > >> > the authors of the software, or that the use of certain terms might pain > >> > a > >> > reader, whoever they are used by and at whom directed. Where I see a > >> > world I > >> > only inhabit, you apparently see one which you want to control - no room > >> > there for diversity of comprehension, sadly. > >> > Whatever of that, I have at no time attempted to defend, excuse or > >> > justify > >> > my mistake - I have freely admitted it, and apologised for it. What is > >> > causing me the problem here is that I feel that I am being insulted and > >> > bullied, and I don't like it. The validity of your case (which I in no > >> > way > >> > dispute) is maligned by your rudeness and your threats, when the most I > >> > needed from you was your gentle reminder that my sarcastic one liners do > >> > not > >> > in fact help anybody's cause. > >> > I am at least two people - one of them wants simply to apologise and > >> > promise > >> > to try never to do something of the kind again, while the other is > >> > possessed > >> > by the need to assert that this is not because of being threatened. The > >> > anger which you hold makes resolution of this dichotomy impossible for > >> > me. > >> > You say that I have no right to be angry about the kind of post that > >> > initiated this thread, but I am not. I don't think you actually mean > >> > "right" > >> > here but, in any case, it is not anger that I have felt or feel now. > >> > Rather > >> > is there here another human who has his own life experience (clearly very > >> > much longer than yours, as it happens), and for whom the issue is rather > >> > one > >> > of hurt. And this human feels he has every "right" to be hurt - by the > >> > original poster, by your intemperate words, by your bullying behaviour. > >> > I have no clear idea as to why you think you will improve a situation by > >> > using threats and offensive language but doing so is your choice, just > >> > as it > >> > is my choice to continue to discuss the matter in spite of my risking > >> > being > >> > banned by doing so. I don't want to be banned, but neither do I want you > >> > or > >> > anyone else to think that I accept your threats as a valid basis for my > >> > behaviour choices. > >> > My closing position is that you are right that my action was childish (I > >> > believe I was the first to say so) and you are also right that I have > >> > erred > >> > in similar style in the past (which fact may indicate a personality > >> > defect > >> > similar to your own, although I believe we differ on which is actually > >> > poisonous). You are not right to bully or threaten me, not least because > >> > to > >> > do so is as ineffective and pointless as my childish remarks, and > >> > contradicts your own exhortation to be a nice person too. > >> > I have already apologised for causing the upset - I do so again now, > >> > without > >> > reservation. I will not enter into any contract not to fail in the same > >> > manner again as long as my doing so is conditioned by fear of the result, > >> > nor is there any need for me to do so since I have at no time attempted > >> > to > >> > justify this kind of action anyway and wouldn't perform it if I thought > >> > first. Your threats are empty, not because you won't carry them out but > >> > because they cannot achieve your purpose. > >> > If I have anything further to add to the thread, I will do so direct to > >> > yourself - notwithstanding that you have warned me against doing that > >> > too. > >> > Anyhow, it's late for Eid and early for Thanksgiving - tomorrow is the > >> > Birthday of the Bab so I wish all readers the most sincere greetings for > >> > that. > >> > Nick out… > > >> > On 19 Oct 2010, at 00:30, Christopher Forsythe wrote: > > >> > Every time I started to type this email, I found myself not being able > >> > to complete it, so I stepped away. I think you aren't reading what I'm > >> > saying how I'm thinking it in my head, so I'm going to reiterate it in > >> > a different manner. After this, this thread needs to die. If you are > >> > confused, reread this. I will be as clear here as I am ever going to > >> > be. > > >> > When I thought about what kind of user you are to our community. I > >> > came to the conclusion that you are verging on being a poisonous > >> > person. Please see > >> >http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645# if you > >> > have not seen it already, it's an excellent talk about the type of > >> > person I think you are verging on becoming. > > >> > The reason I say this is due to a pattern in responses which have no > >> > value, other than to be annoying. Here is a small list I found by just > >> > searching for about 3 minutes, I stopped looking once I hit 4 emails: > > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/growldiscuss/msg/a19a2ff6a84ebdd8 > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/growldiscuss/msg/872c304048d33e0a > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/growldiscuss/msg/74b285e15eb9ebf2 > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/growldiscuss/msg/be17f47730a0cc5f > > >> > Some common themes here are: > > >> > - Lack of useful responses > >> > - Sarcasm verging on starting a heated discussion on a thread > >> > - Short responses > > >> > This all said, you do provide some great feedback.When I found you > >> > provided the best feedback it was about your specific problems though. > > >> > You responded to this user first. The user does not have a way to > >> > differentiate who represents the project, and who is merely a member > >> > of this mailing list/discussion group. As such, you represented this > >> > entire group. You did so in a very sarcastic manner, with none of the > >> > following: > > >> > - No quality control. > >> > - No useful information to help the end user > >> > - No helping at all > > >> > All of this to what end? No good one as far as I'm concerned. So no, I > >> > do not believe you were wishing him a Merry Christmas. I know you were > >> > in fact being a prick. Which is why I'm angry at you. You basically > >> > just gave us a worse name to this user than we already had to him. > >> > Which isn't a good place for us to be in, seeing how this can all be > >> > avoided very easily. > > >> > Now, instead, you could have taken these actions, and not come across > >> > as someone who is simply out to make himself feel good for 2 seconds > >> > for a childish act: > > >> > - Responded with the link to the article about this issue > >> > - Responded saying you understand, and providing details about how > >> > dropbox is actually doing this, and then how to remove Growl > >> > - Not responded at all > > >> > These 3 responses at the very least would have been more beneficial > >> > than the response you chose to make. > > >> > Since you decided to send your sarcastic email to the list publicly, I > >> > decided to reprimand you publicly. I will reiterate what I said > >> > earlier. Do not respond to end users in this manner. They do not > >> > deserve to be treated like this. We don't either, but their anger is > >> > just, only not justly directed. You however have no right to be angry > >> > about it, since it is not affecting you at all. > > >> > I spent more time today thinking about this one thing than anything > >> > else. I have a six month old son who is better behaved than you are on > >> > this list. I'm not going to sit here and baby sit you, you need to be > >> > an adult here. I also want this thread to end, unless the original > >> > poster requires more assistance. However, since this thread was > >> > derailed, I've already started a direct email with him so he doesn't > >> > have to continue to deal with this. > > >> > I have concluded that this is not acceptable behavior to tolerate for > >> > these issues. If you respond to another user in a sarcastic manner > >> > such as this, I will ban you. If you continue to make me have to > >> > respond to you after being very clear in this email, I will also ban > >> > you. If you choose to email me or any other member of the Growl > >> > project directly to complain about this, I will ban you. Basically, > >> > drop the issue, move on, and don't be a prick in the future, and we're > >> > all set. > > >> > As far as I'm concerned, this should not have been how this user was > >> > handled. You made us look bad. You need to own up to that, and learn > >> > from it. I don't want to think about it anymore. > > >> > -- > > >> > Nicholas J A Sanders > >> > ___________________ > >> > semiotek > > >> > +44 [0]7092 153 409 > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Growl Discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/growldiscuss?hl=en.
