Oooooh john, You're just jealous....sounds more like sour grapes....:>) The FJR will have ABS, but probably not until 2004. I like ABS too and have it on the GTS. It has worked great for me. About 10% of those with it on the GTS have had problems and needed it replaced under warranty. Normally the problems developed from the bikes not being used and brake fluid getting old. I imagine that 10% problem number is fairly good for most bikes with ABS. I assume Yamaha doesn't want to have any problems with it when the bring it out and is doing long term testing right now and designing based on long term past experience. Who else built bikes with ABS in 1991, 1992, 1993?
With that said...... No, lack of ABS isn't going to stop me from getting one. I'll just trade up in a few years. Since the bike is already being sold by some dealers for $10,999 with hard bags, I assume ABS will kick that price up by about $1,500 when it comes out. Still looks like it will be 15% cheaper than a new ST, 15% lighter, with 15% more power and torque....:>))))) Looks like Yamaha has pulled of a helluva well designed bike and a helluva price to me....:>) Now that I have gotten over being pissed that they didn't bring it in last year; it was probably a good idea. I've seen some complaints about too soft a rear shock. Hopefully they have changed that in the US models. Let someone else get the first years production wrinkles out. You are still a young man, you'd look good on an FJR1300..:>)))) hawke > From: "John Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "John Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:09:56 -0600 > To: "LDRIDER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: LDRider: ABS, schma-b-s! > > Let's also stipulate that the bean counter remark was a tongue in cheek > scenario. Humor. The point actually revolved around what the potential > market for the FJR really is, and Kevin admits that he is not part of that > market, which is fine. We all enjoy riding, price is always secondary to > that. > > For those that ARE part of that potential new sport touring bike market, > when it is time to reach for the wallet and the buyer is shopping primarily > on price point (and does not care about ABS), then the $11500 FJR w/o ABS is > not likely to compare favorably with any of the following: > $10500 Kawasaki 1200, $10000 (or less) CBR 1100XX, or $8000 Connie, or even > leftover or used ST1100s. It also will give that buyer pause when they > consider that a $10900 VFR can be now had with ABS. > > If initial price point is not the primary consideration and ABS is a factor > (which is the more likely scenario in the over $11k sport touring market), > then the ST1300 (which should be less than $15k), the possible new Trophy, > and the BMWs with ABS for $15 to $16K are likely to be more attractive than > the non ABS FJR. And if the FJR becomes available with ABS, but it is > priced similarly to the ST1300, market history shows that most buyers will > go for the Honda along with it's larger dealer network. > > As long as we are stipulating, let me say that I hope the FJR is a success. > I think Yamaha could have guaranteed it, if they had just gotten it to the > US last summer instead of the end of this coming summer. As it is, the > other players in the game are not standing still. And the buyers are gonna > have more choices than ever in the sport-touring market. > > FWIW, it is also true that ABS can currently be had on less expensive bikes. > Yamaha FJ1200's and Kawasaki GPz1100's with ABS can be found on the used > market for around $4K to 5K and ST11's for under $9K. > John Harrison > Birmingham > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Wynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "chuck h" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 8:48 AM > Subject: Re: LDRider: ABS, schma-b-s! > > >> My comments orginated from a message stating that the FJR1300 was not > going >> to be successful in the USA because some "bean counter" decided to ensure >> it's failure by only allowing it to brought here without ABS. All y'all >> missed that point entirely. Stipulate this (:') - ABS is a great >> improvement to braking performance and safety of a motorcycle. Does that >> mean nobody will buy it? No, it means that if you're convinced you can't >> get by without it any longer (like cell phones, cable TV, computers and >> microwave ovens like most of society) and your checkbook can handle it, >> knock yourself out. And if I chose to buy a bike with ABS I'd consider it >> an advantage. But I don't require it, and I don't think the market for > the >> the FJR1300 will either. >> >> I'm a cheapskate, though not by choice. I see the FJR as a viable upgrade >> to my present mount. It's not likely that I'll be forking out $16,000 for > a >> new motorcycle any time in the near future, and possibly ever! It's also >> possible that I won't own a bike with ABS until it filters down to the > less >> expensive bikes, maybe in another 10 years???? I'm OK with that, and once >> again, I think that the vast majority of the audience for the FJR will be > OK >> with it too. >> >> Hell, I'm riding a 15 year old Concours for which I paid $2000. It's a >> matter of perspective. >> >> Kevin Wynn, AMA #402901 >> 2002 Touch'em All Baseball Grand Tour, Reallymissedher >> Find Out More at www.promise-breakers.com >> '87 Kawasaki Concours, "Blitzen" >> >> 50-50-90 Rule - >> If the husband has a 50-50 chance of being right, there's a 90 percent >> chance he'll be wrong. >> Sub/Unsub instructions, rules etc. >> are at http://www.ldriders.org/ >> > > Sub/Unsub instructions, rules etc. > are at http://www.ldriders.org/ >
