I'm an old man and I'd look good on it... Bill Sowers http://www.localweb.com/mtrspts ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Laurenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: Re: LDRider: ABS, schma-b-s!
> Oooooh john, > > You're just jealous....sounds more like sour grapes....:>) The FJR will > have ABS, but probably not until 2004. I like ABS too and have it on the > GTS. It has worked great for me. About 10% of those with it on the GTS > have had problems and needed it replaced under warranty. Normally the > problems developed from the bikes not being used and brake fluid getting > old. I imagine that 10% problem number is fairly good for most bikes with > ABS. I assume Yamaha doesn't want to have any problems with it when the > bring it out and is doing long term testing right now and designing based on > long term past experience. Who else built bikes with ABS in 1991, 1992, > 1993? > > With that said...... No, lack of ABS isn't going to stop me from getting > one. I'll just trade up in a few years. Since the bike is already being > sold by some dealers for $10,999 with hard bags, I assume ABS will kick that > price up by about $1,500 when it comes out. Still looks like it will be 15% > cheaper than a new ST, 15% lighter, with 15% more power and > torque....:>))))) Looks like Yamaha has pulled of a helluva well designed > bike and a helluva price to me....:>) > > Now that I have gotten over being pissed that they didn't bring it in last > year; it was probably a good idea. I've seen some complaints about too soft > a rear shock. Hopefully they have changed that in the US models. Let > someone else get the first years production wrinkles out. > > You are still a young man, you'd look good on an FJR1300..:>)))) > > hawke > > > From: "John Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: "John Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:09:56 -0600 > > To: "LDRIDER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: LDRider: ABS, schma-b-s! > > > > Let's also stipulate that the bean counter remark was a tongue in cheek > > scenario. Humor. The point actually revolved around what the potential > > market for the FJR really is, and Kevin admits that he is not part of that > > market, which is fine. We all enjoy riding, price is always secondary to > > that. > > > > For those that ARE part of that potential new sport touring bike market, > > when it is time to reach for the wallet and the buyer is shopping primarily > > on price point (and does not care about ABS), then the $11500 FJR w/o ABS is > > not likely to compare favorably with any of the following: > > $10500 Kawasaki 1200, $10000 (or less) CBR 1100XX, or $8000 Connie, or even > > leftover or used ST1100s. It also will give that buyer pause when they > > consider that a $10900 VFR can be now had with ABS. > > > > If initial price point is not the primary consideration and ABS is a factor > > (which is the more likely scenario in the over $11k sport touring market), > > then the ST1300 (which should be less than $15k), the possible new Trophy, > > and the BMWs with ABS for $15 to $16K are likely to be more attractive than > > the non ABS FJR. And if the FJR becomes available with ABS, but it is > > priced similarly to the ST1300, market history shows that most buyers will > > go for the Honda along with it's larger dealer network. > > > > As long as we are stipulating, let me say that I hope the FJR is a success. > > I think Yamaha could have guaranteed it, if they had just gotten it to the > > US last summer instead of the end of this coming summer. As it is, the > > other players in the game are not standing still. And the buyers are gonna > > have more choices than ever in the sport-touring market. > > > > FWIW, it is also true that ABS can currently be had on less expensive bikes. > > Yamaha FJ1200's and Kawasaki GPz1100's with ABS can be found on the used > > market for around $4K to 5K and ST11's for under $9K. > > John Harrison > > Birmingham > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Wynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "chuck h" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 8:48 AM > > Subject: Re: LDRider: ABS, schma-b-s! > > > > > >> My comments orginated from a message stating that the FJR1300 was not > > going > >> to be successful in the USA because some "bean counter" decided to ensure > >> it's failure by only allowing it to brought here without ABS. All y'all > >> missed that point entirely. Stipulate this (:') - ABS is a great > >> improvement to braking performance and safety of a motorcycle. Does that > >> mean nobody will buy it? No, it means that if you're convinced you can't > >> get by without it any longer (like cell phones, cable TV, computers and > >> microwave ovens like most of society) and your checkbook can handle it, > >> knock yourself out. And if I chose to buy a bike with ABS I'd consider it > >> an advantage. But I don't require it, and I don't think the market for > > the > >> the FJR1300 will either. > >> > >> I'm a cheapskate, though not by choice. I see the FJR as a viable upgrade > >> to my present mount. It's not likely that I'll be forking out $16,000 for > > a > >> new motorcycle any time in the near future, and possibly ever! It's also > >> possible that I won't own a bike with ABS until it filters down to the > > less > >> expensive bikes, maybe in another 10 years???? I'm OK with that, and once > >> again, I think that the vast majority of the audience for the FJR will be > > OK > >> with it too. > >> > >> Hell, I'm riding a 15 year old Concours for which I paid $2000. It's a > >> matter of perspective. > >> > >> Kevin Wynn, AMA #402901 > >> 2002 Touch'em All Baseball Grand Tour, Reallymissedher > >> Find Out More at www.promise-breakers.com > >> '87 Kawasaki Concours, "Blitzen" > >> > >> 50-50-90 Rule - > >> If the husband has a 50-50 chance of being right, there's a 90 percent > >> chance he'll be wrong. > >> Sub/Unsub instructions, rules etc. > >> are at http://www.ldriders.org/ > >> > > > > Sub/Unsub instructions, rules etc. > > are at http://www.ldriders.org/ > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by me and AVG. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002
