Hmmmm - I can see what your saying, but I think there's another side to this. It seems to me that we would be gaining an exhaust manufacturer with an exact pattern for the GTS. Our choices at the moment seem to be a) use OEM - well over twice the cost of this; b) get FZR or YZF parts and fiddle and weld. If you have the skills and tools, you'd probably go for this (but from the archives it seems that maybe only 2 or 3 have). I don't have these skills, so I'd have the cost of parts, plus pay someone to do the job, and I don't think the price would be much different.
If there's no group buy, I'll come out of it OK, because Renegade will make my exhaust as a one-off, so I get the benefit of their time for less than the cost (about a week's work). There'll be no pattern, and if a GTS turned up the following month Jorge will probably say 'f*** off' (he's a nice guy but a business man, too!). I don't think there's any discount in it for me for getting the group buy, and I lose my bike for a week (I use it daily). So the 'discount' to me appears to be invested in the pattern. Then there's the associated benefits of after-markent exhausts - more power, choice of end cans, etc. I got caught out by the collector (cat) going. If I'd realised it's vulnerability I think I would have been checking it over the past 2 years of ownership, and maybe done more to try and preserve its' life. Have you checked your's out? How much life is left? How long do you want to keep the bike for? Do you want to pay 900 GBP (1� x more than the whole Renegade system) for a new one? It seems to me that there's a good case for this one. I suppose that a lot might depend on how long you want to keep the bike - but so many of us seem to want to, that there needs to be some long-term thinking about parts like this. That's how I see it, anyway! Robin On 27 Jun 2002 pablo wrote: >Jon said the right words to express my thoughts too. >The nice side of a group buy is a lower price or an interesting discount. >How many exhaust would be needed to buy to get a convincing price. >Pablo. >
