Hi!
A few days ago, I had posted this to <help-g...@gnu.org>, but not yet
gotten any response -- I understand everyone's busy, of course ;-) -- and
this morning had a quick chat on Guix IRC (see below), but as that also
wasn't really conclusive, I'd like to re-post on <guix-devel@gnu.org>:
On 2024-11-03T18:10:32+0100, I wrote:
> I was under the impression that 'guix build [P]' followed by
> 'guix install /gnu/store/[...]' would produce equivalent results to
> 'guix install [P]' -- but evidently that's not generally the case? With
> up-to-date Guix:
>
> $ guix build gcc-toolchain@4.8.5
> [...]
> /gnu/store/zq67w51hf6vpk3s2nriwnl7658biq9dz-gcc-toolchain-4.8.5-debug
> /gnu/store/lahbqdidl3ynasd0vzxz2i0dmgh0v16i-gcc-toolchain-4.8.5
> /gnu/store/82i6qfdqspg43rkphw0hhafny76z5bbr-gcc-toolchain-4.8.5-static
> $ guix install -p bi
> /gnu/store/lahbqdidl3ynasd0vzxz2i0dmgh0v16i-gcc-toolchain-4.8.5
> [...]
>
> ..., where '/gnu/store/[...]-gcc-toolchain-4.8.5' is the main ("out")
> output, which should -- per my understanding -- correspond to directly
> 'guix install'ing:
>
> $ guix install -p i gcc-toolchain@4.8.5
> [...]
>
> But now compare the two installations:
>
> $ diff -ru bi/ i/
> diff -ru bi/etc/profile i/etc/profile
> --- bi/etc/profile 1970-01-01 01:00:01.000000000 +0100
> +++ i/etc/profile 1970-01-01 01:00:01.000000000 +0100
> @@ -8,4 +8,10 @@
> # When GUIX_PROFILE is undefined, the various environment variables refer
> # to this specific profile generation.
>
> -export
> PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/fh258i84wjshhaxnv4bb2qm6xipfxsnl-profile}/bin:${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/fh258i84wjshhaxnv4bb2qm6xipfxsnl-profile}/sbin${PATH:+:}$PATH"
> +export
> PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/2vk4q0ffg4621pz4jd9pprscpm9dfiwf-profile}/bin:${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/2vk4q0ffg4621pz4jd9pprscpm9dfiwf-profile}/sbin${PATH:+:}$PATH"
> +export
> GUIX_LOCPATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/2vk4q0ffg4621pz4jd9pprscpm9dfiwf-profile}/lib/locale${GUIX_LOCPATH:+:}$GUIX_LOCPATH"
> +export
> LIBRARY_PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/2vk4q0ffg4621pz4jd9pprscpm9dfiwf-profile}/lib${LIBRARY_PATH:+:}$LIBRARY_PATH"
> +export
> OBJCPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/2vk4q0ffg4621pz4jd9pprscpm9dfiwf-profile}/include/c++:${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/2vk4q0ffg4621pz4jd9pprscpm9dfiwf-profile}/include${OBJCPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH:+:}$OBJCPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH"
> +export
> OBJC_INCLUDE_PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/2vk4q0ffg4621pz4jd9pprscpm9dfiwf-profile}/include${OBJC_INCLUDE_PATH:+:}$OBJC_INCLUDE_PATH"
> +export
> CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/2vk4q0ffg4621pz4jd9pprscpm9dfiwf-profile}/include/c++:${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/2vk4q0ffg4621pz4jd9pprscpm9dfiwf-profile}/include${CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH:+:}$CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH"
> +export
> C_INCLUDE_PATH="${GUIX_PROFILE:-/gnu/store/2vk4q0ffg4621pz4jd9pprscpm9dfiwf-profile}/include${C_INCLUDE_PATH:+:}$C_INCLUDE_PATH"
> diff -ru bi/manifest i/manifest
> --- bi/manifest 1970-01-01 01:00:01.000000000 +0100
> +++ i/manifest 1970-01-01 01:00:01.000000000 +0100
> @@ -9,4 +9,40 @@
> (("gcc-toolchain"
> "4.8.5"
> "out"
> -
> "/gnu/store/lahbqdidl3ynasd0vzxz2i0dmgh0v16i-gcc-toolchain-4.8.5"))))
> + "/gnu/store/lahbqdidl3ynasd0vzxz2i0dmgh0v16i-gcc-toolchain-4.8.5"
> + (search-paths
> + (("C_INCLUDE_PATH" ("include") ":" directory #f)
> + ("CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH"
> + ("include/c++" "include")
> + ":"
> + directory
> + #f)
> + ("OBJC_INCLUDE_PATH"
> + ("include")
> + ":"
> + directory
> + #f)
> + ("OBJCPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH"
> + ("include/c++" "include")
> + ":"
> + directory
> + #f)
> + ("LIBRARY_PATH" ("lib" "lib64") ":" directory #f)
> + ("GUIX_LOCPATH" ("lib/locale") ":" directory #f)
> + ("TZDIR" ("share/zoneinfo") #f directory #f)))
> + (properties
> + ((provenance
> + (repository
> + (version 0)
> + (url "https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/guix.git";)
> + (branch "master")
> + (commit
> + "8964dfdb84f7d21dbc89c217ca4f4546a15990af")
> + (name guix)
> + (introduction
> + (channel-introduction
> + (version 0)
> + (commit
> + "9edb3f66fd807b096b48283debdcddccfea34bad")
> + (signer
> + "BBB0 2DDF 2CEA F6A8 0D1D E643 A2A0 6DF2 A33A
> 54FA")))))))))))
>
> This means that the 'bi' installation isn't usable.
>
> Where is the error in (very likely) my thinking?
Same behavior, by the way, for more recent versions of 'gcc-toolchain',
including current 'gcc-toolchain', so it's not a problem specific to
ancient 'gcc-toolchain@4.8.5'.
Guix IRC, 2024-11-07:
[...]
11:15:47 <tschwinge> Anybody got any opinion on
<https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-guix/2024-11/msg00017.html>
"'guix build [P]' followed by 'guix install /gnu/store/[...]'
vs. 'guix install [P]'"?
11:16:56 <Rutherther> tschwinge: hi. I mean I would expect that. The
search paths are stored with the definition of the package. You
don't know the package definition from the store path. So the
information about search paths is lost. I am mainly quite surprised
guix even allows guix install directly on gnu store paths
[...]
11:28:43 <tschwinge> Rutherther: Interesting, thanks for looking into
this.
11:29:32 <tschwinge> So, what then is the right way of doing 'guix
install --system=i686-linux gcc-toolchain@4.8.5' on a x86_64-linux
system? ('guix install' doesn't support '--system=[...]'.)
11:34:07 <futurile> I do that all the time, so it might be a bug.
11:35:03 <yelninei> tschwinge: Does it work with guix shell (for a
workaround)?
[...]
11:50:42 <tschwinge> futurile: What is "that" in your sentence?
11:50:46 <tschwinge> yelninei: Yes, 'guix shell --system=i686-linux
[...]' works as expected -- but I'll have to think how to fiddle
that into my non-interactive workflow/build scripts.
11:51:35 <tschwinge> ..., or should I "just" try to make
'--system=[...]' work for 'guix install'/'guix package'? ;-)
11:52:00 <Rutherther> tschwinge: ideally you could package the build
scripts so they just use correct dependencies. Or you an also give
them shebang with guix shell to provide the dependencies
[...]
11:58:45 <yelninei> tschwinge: You can pass a command to run in the
new shell after a -- which should also work non-interactively
[...]
So, the workarounds aside, what is the expected behavior?
Further on:
> How do I, by the way, programmatically get from the 'guix build' list of
> (here: three) outputs to the main ("out") output? Via
> '/gnu/store/*-gcc-toolchain-4.8.5.drv' (as produced by
> 'guix build --derivations [...]'), I suppose, but what's the standard
> way? Or, is there even a way to instruct 'guix build' to only produce
> the main ("out") output, for example?
>
>
> All this came up in context of wanting to install '--system=i686-linux'
> packages on '--system=x86_64-linux', and I'm not able to just
> 'guix install --system=i686-linux gcc-toolchain@4.8.5' there.
>
> (Is there a fundamental reason for not allowing that, or just not yet
> implemented?)
Grüße
Thomas
