On 2025-05-12, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Steve George <st...@futurile.net> writes: >> Note that 'Deliberate' means to "consider or discuss", and a person >> would "vote" at the end of a deliberation period to "to express your >> choice or opinion". That is the standard use in English. One doesn't >> keep a "Deliberation" as a record of choices (e.g. tally of >> votes). Also, to be explicit just because something is a "vote" >> doesn't imply that the it's "majority rule" on anything similar. I >> bring it up, because it's going to sounds odd to me as a native >> English speaker. >> >> - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/vote >> >> - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/deliberation > > Oh, I perhaps mistakenly assumed “deliberation” was the same as French > “délibération”, “decision taken by a governing body”: > > https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/d%C3%A9lib%C3%A9ration#Traductions > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/d%C3%A9lib%C3%A9ration > > Wiktionary seems to agree with the “decision taken” meaning, but WordNet > (US English) less so.
To my take on english "deliberation" is usually focused more on the process of making a decision, though possibly to make it clear and explicit, we could use "deliberation results" or "results of the deliberation" ? > So now I’m not so sure but I still find the term “vote” to be loaded > (and not what GCD 001 uses anyway). I think that "vote" does tend to guide people towards other decision making processes that are not really consensus building, if only for the reason that many do not have much experience with anything other than voting by majority rule... even if there are technically other meanings for the word. The term I am used to hearing instead of vote is "Call for consensus" and then the result is nearly binary (e.g. consensus reached (with or without abstentions), consensus not reached). I find it is more important to record the issues and concerns that lead to blocking consensus (e.g. "I disapprove") than to record who blocked consensus. It gives a checklist of what needs to be fixed if something similar is proposed later... Without that, it is akin to those wonderful "Something went wrong" error messages. live well, vagrant
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