> The single most important feature for me is that it can run at night
> from cron with nobody around - and I love the timeout feature at least
> available on Linux that can kill hanging Axis or Cactus or
> Tomcat-Connector builds.

I have the same use case, and I thought I wouldn't like the GUI. Then I
tried it, and I really liked the way it allowed my to introspect the
metadata. I think there is great potential there. Again, I will likely never
run builds from the GUI, but I like the options it provides for tools for
basic users. I'd like to see the GUI (1) have a wizard for creating new
project metadata (2) allow "create me a profile that would build me X,Y and
Z from bottom up -- no extras". About 6 months ago I would've paid money (a
dirty set of words ;-) for (2).

Ok, where on earth is this timeout feature? I want it also, but I don't know
where to find it. Can you point me to it? Thanks.

> There may be a language problem here, I'm not sure.  "concerned" was
> supposed have a negative connotation when I wrote it, sorry.

Nah, I probably just interpretted via what I wanted to read. Yes, there is
the potential for negative, but I'd like to have more faith in the
community, that they'd be used for posotive. If they happen, then time will
tell.

Statistics are not the goal, so sure -- fix things for other folks. If you
fix problems, you are part of the community. However, I was talking
primarily about code bugs (like one that has huanted me w/ VFS/HttpClient
for the last month).

Primarily, I think component re-use suffers from lack of trust amongst
developers. I beleive that many developers don't like to rely upon others,
so don't re-use if they can avoid it, I've seen it even on Jakarta. With
commons/sandbox and even incubator I feel there is the chance for lots of
non-cooperating projects, and I don't like that. I am not naive enough to
think that all software can/ought work together, but I'd like to see Gump
help shift the balance. [BTW: My interest in http://krysalis.org/version is
because I use stacks of code, and want it to work together, so maybe this is
my personal use case/bias.]

As such, I think statistics are mainly a good things for good projects, and
a gentle nudge for others.

> Very unlikely, even for projects that consider themselves "friends of
> Gump".  When has Gump tried to build Cocoon or Forrest the last time?

But shouldn't it? Couldn't it? Why not - resources? complexity?

> Are you aware that almost all krysalis-* projects fail every night
> "because Centipede has not been not initialized"? 8-)

No, not at all. I monitor them, as do others, and they work. I've not seen
nags to this effect, have you?

We have some issues w/ tests projects right now, but in the main they work,
see Nick's custom gump:

    http://gump.chalko.com/

So, is this centipede problem an environmental one on your system, or your
stack? Could you send me more information to help track it down? If you are
running latest Ant, and ant is about to be released, and centipede is
failing ... Krysalis folks really need to know, thanks.

regards,

Adam


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