Hey Adam,

Adam R. B. Jack wrote:
I guess there is no point me integrating Maven into Gump, since Maven next
has it's sights on this space.

http://blogs.codehaus.org/projects/maven/archives/000271.html

I contributed to Open Source hoping to collaborate with others and build
combined solutions, cooperate for a better whole, yada yada. I'd have
thought that this could (at least) happen at Apache, but I guess not.
Competition, coopetition might be good drivers in an economy but they are
wasteful in a single organization. I came to collaborate not compete. What a
waste of energy, what a waste period.

so don't compete! Make sure the energy lost is not yours :D


You have a need, others have similar needs and goals, those fit together, so you collaborate, which saves time, energy, money, and is hopefully more fun most of the time.

Needs and goals may not overlap all the time, and collaboration may not always be fun for everyone, or actually save energy, time, money if the overlap is too small. Put technical differences of opinion into the mix, a communication barrier, cultural differences, etc etc yada yada, and you inevitably end up with 7 open source scripting languages, 3 open source java logging toolkits, 5 different build tools, 2 major open source desktops, 5 major open source widget toolkits...

...don't spend your energy trying to convince people to collaborate. If it doesn't come naturally, no sweat. Focus on /your/ needs and /your/ goals and on filling the ones you have in common with others (you like working with) together.

And if collaboration does not come, it doesn't have to mean competition. Apache has about a gazillion webapp frameworks, 5 'commons', 3 webservers, 2 logging toolkits...and usually that works out okay. For example, there's not a lot of competition for 'regular' resources (like money or hardware or bandwidth) to worry about.

Now, with continuum, the people developing it probably have somewhat different goals than the people developing gump. That's okay...there's plety of room for multiple continous integration tools here at apache.

cheers!

- LSD



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