Yes food, the organic/genetic of Underworld was okay but .. For Vampires.
Toxic or just not quite the right elements or pressure? For Avatar - Pandora
World ships can be a commentary on humanity and its need to strip all life from
places for the joy/happiness of those in cities and like places? Breeding like
rats, and needing more and more and stripping more and more, until one day all
outside the cities will be barran desert and then what? Mad Max? Judge Dredd or
.. Ogre war machine and ground processor?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Mic
To: Abrigon Gusiq
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: World Ships Re: Colony ship lost
Yeah I liked avatar, the idea they actually made the native atmosphere
toxic to use was great, changed up the whole everywhere we go just happens to
be suited for us star trek approach.
well war of the worlds we got lucky cause of the everyday run of the
mill microbe was toxic to the martians. it just took time to set in, when they
started to breath the air and drink th ewater etc.
I am so sick of vampires it aint funny. when will folk learn they see
us as food not equals. I can't wait for the wolfman reboot.
the book covered alot of angles on different plots. It covers hard
science and soft. they cite examples and it was the first one I read. I learned
alot.
Mic
"Behold, For they are the sheep and WE are the Wolves!"
" There are worse things in da'dark.....Me!"
"What ever I lost I lost along time ago and I dont plan on losing
anything agian!" Barbra NotLD '90
--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Abrigon Gusiq <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Abrigon Gusiq <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: World Ships Re: Colony ship lost
To: "Mic" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], [email protected],
[email protected]
Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 8:48 PM
Hollywierd they do call it, need not be logically. Or why they call
it soft sci-fi and not hard.
But yes, possible what would not kill us, or only make us sick, might
not effect an alien race.
Or see Pandora, the atmosphere density but also what else is in the
atmosphere that might cause issues, and not kist viruses and bacteria? Allergic
to what else?
Would make for a wierd movie of an alien race that falls cause its
allergic to something we take for granted?
Hot stuff today seem to be Transformers and Vampires, so what about
transforming aliens who are vampires or what? Need not be organic vampires,
just the romantic/brutal nature of vampirism? Hope for eternal life but also
the beastual nature of the whole act of becoming and being one?
Hum (Writer's guide to creating a science fiction universe by George
Ochoa and Jeffrey Osier.).. Idea for sure?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Mic
To: Abrigon Gusiq
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: World Ships Re: Colony ship lost
Any species high enough to develop ID4 ships was high
enough to develope anti-disease protocols and how alien would a source code be?
Plot devices beside the point.
Mike
I kinda disagree ( respectfully of course), Look at War of
the worlds, they had impressive tech ( almost on the same level as ID4 aliens,
force fields, anti gravity, disintegration rays ) that laid waste to us and
they where taken down by the smallest thing on the planet. And they where from
our solar system and had almost the same kinda elemental make up.
just because you mastered interstellar travel don't mean
you have the tech to protect your self from disease. You could filter the
water and air, and could possible have a pill that could counter the effects of
native bacteria, but it could have side effects that would be worse if that
bacteria mutated with the help of said pill. Becoming something more deadly.
Plus if your a super advance race with tech to travel
through the galaxy taking anything you want, armed with force fields, machines
that can pull massive G's with no harm to the occupants, anti gravity drive to
keep your massive ships hovering over targets. then it would be very improbable
to have your computer systems hack by the knuckle dragging apes of a backwater
planet.
given the time frame of the attack, and the complexity of
the alien language, there was no way that we could have decoded and figure out
there operating systems and write a virus to take them out before they blasted
us.
( and it's just not my hatred of ID4 plot holes ,that are
as big as the inside of a Tardis, in my op, plus the ending, you can imaging
how much one of the mother ships weighed, when the gravity control failed you
know that they would hang in space just as a brick does (hehehe i finally get
to use Addams line hehehehe), with that much mass slamming down, and it would
cause( if the control where destroyed ( the chances of hard wired safties
cutting in to float the ships down, would never have a chance with no power to
help)) it would cause massive earth quake in some places. after all they where
just a few miles up, close enough to build up speed and to short a time for
safty equipment to kick in) but I have ranted enough on ID4 hehehe on to others.
The main motive behind V was that they wanted us for food
and they wanted the earths water ( the same as ID4 I know), I believe it would
have made a great plot hook that the V had been here in our pre history and had
tinkered with our DNA to make a better feeding stock, especcially now that
almost half the world population are plumping up rapidly. And it would also
explain alot of Lizard man type myths and legends.
Know why do I like one and not the other, with the V plot
hook they would have been here almost since the world cooled down and life
evolved, while the other one just got here around the time of roswell ( it was
there scout that crashed like the film states). given both time frames the
longer the time you have contact with the target planet and the more visits you
have you could over come all bugs on the planet that where harmfull to you.
if you havent seen MegaZone 23 find it, it was another
series that was stolen to creaet robotech ( I say stolen cause they ditched the
original story, hacked it up to fit in like they did with Mospeada and southern
cross. To this day Carl Macek is a hated man.)
Boy meets girl, boy finds top secret transformable
motorcycle, boy finds out his world is really a lie and living on a ship in
space and that the Pop idol singer was really a computer simulation of the
ships computer being manipulated by those in charge to keep folks happy and
distracted while they carried out there own plans. And that the other ship
computer is trying to destroy them.
I got to see it like a few months after it was released
because I had a cousin in Japan sending me anime. This was in the late 80's
when anime could only be gotten by pen pals and friends in japan. it was in
japanese with no subtitles and it inspired us to try and learn japanese in
order to figure it out.
like Ben Bova said, theres a big difference between a
Sci-fi flick and a science fiction movie. ( sci-fi= big oohs and ahhs very
little science Science fiction=less oohs and ahhs and more realistic science)
if you havent had the chance to read Ben Bova's serries on
writting ( Space travel, alien and alien societies ) he covers alot of great
points. I also recomend Writer's guide to creating a science fiction universe
by George Ochoa and Jeffrey Osier. I found these books very very helpful.
Intresting side note Bova was a science consultant on The
starlost but left after the first episode ( Wiki Ben Bova )
Okay I 've ranted long enough.
Mic
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