With all that's been said on this what can I posibly add?

Well, here in the UK Window-Eyes does offer one of the more affordable alternatives to JFW and if anything that's even more the case here seeing how the main distributer here makes a markup on the US dollar price. We have just the same cosy relationship too between the business sector and the large charities who ensure that ordinary trusting blind people here are fobbed off with smoothly modulated tones about the supposed supiority of JFw, all prnounced in a very authoritative tone.

I'd hate to think that GW's very existence is put at risk by this action which seems to me so calculatingly predatory and - dare I say it - imoral? Still, when it comes to Corporate business practice what's morality got to do with it? -as Tina Turner didn't quite say. It is chilling indeed to get the line some have taken that its a big bad grown up world you must live in and those of us who don't belive that power and financial might should win out better get a life.

Seems to me that what's being attempted as an arguement here is the very idea of web page place markers - or whatever you want to call them - more than the actual method of achieving this obviously useful facility to VI people. I think it is so much sophistry on FS's and lawyers part. Clearly SF didn't do a very good job implementing this idea, and seemingly GW have, in line with their well known pride in well designed craftedcode done the job as it should have been done from the start - and now get a suit thrown at them for doing it propperly!

Will they - or GW for that matter - take on the olks behind Webvisum if they were to implement such an on-line feature? I doubt that GW would, and I leave it to your imagination as to what the other would do.

Why not indeed go one step further? Just get the idea, don't write a line of code, just patent the idea and sue someone else if they dare to actually code it! How's that for a business proposition - or has someone beaten me to it?

If someone were to set up a fund to defend any independent developper from such obviously malign and ill-intentioned litigation, then I would subscribe to that. Just hope GW wouldn't be too proud to accept the financial assistance - and anyone else who dares tread on the hobnailed boots of these corporate gangsters.

Wish I knew more about the legal system in the US, but from this distance all I know i=s what John Grisham and the like write. Is it like that?

Maybe someone somewhere will tell me also about how the subsidising of Access tech is organised in the states as from what's been said in other posts there's quite a lot of restrictive practice being fostered by large non profits in the US, and it is not so different here in the UK either.

Well, if you've stayed with me, thanks, and sorry for a long post, and that's all from me.

Cheers,
Ray.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: pending lawsuit


bjcolt wrote:
As a musician I have to deal with the copyright law fairly extensively and when it comes to place markers as in this case the area is so grey it is unbelievable. A place marker has been used for decades in determining where a person sits at a table, and of course I remember it being used in school to keep our places in a book, long before FS took on the name.

Generally, "place marker" would be a trademark not a copyright. However, what's at issue in this case is not the phrase "place marker", and indeed not trademarking or copyright at all, but an entirely different type of intellectual property: patents of inventions, namely Freedom Scientific's patent for a method for adding place markers to web page.

Here's some general background on what patents are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent

You can read the full details of the patent in question at:

http://tinyurl.com/6zjt5t

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Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis


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