Doug didn't say that a dual monitor configuration was prefered. We stated that all of our developers have dual monitor machines, but that WE will only see the text that is displayed on the primary monitor.


At 05:39 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote:
Then why does jaws work beautifully not missing text or anything in dual monitor mode?

Window-eyes is tolerant of single and dual monitor modes, but seems a little more responsive and reliable in single mode.

jaws insists pretty much on dual mode, on the latest versions.

Version 8 anyway.

So maybe in order to get work done, I'll have to just switch monitor modes, since jaws obviously uses a different way to access the screen, even if dcm is involved.

I'm also curious taking in mind what you said, about what Doug said about video drivers being developed or recommended to be developed in dual mode.

Ok, well, I'll just run we in single monitor mode when i can.

This is indeed not optimal, but I need both tools.

And I really do appreciate the offer of sending you this machine, but that's not a viable alternative for me at this point, this machine is making me money.

So I guess that's just the way it is, but i think others are experiencing some of these same issues too from the traffic going on on this list about we bugs.

But it is indeed easier when you don't have to run multiple adaptive softwares.

So I think it's a little of both, and eudora is still way snappier in 6.1 than in 7 no matter how I slice it.

Ok, thank for responding, and we'll work on it.


At 09:32 AM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
Chris, note that we are not seeing these problems with Eudora. I use it every day and am not having issues with it. In fact, the listboxes are much faster with 7.0 than they have ever been due to speed improvements we made in listboxes between beta 3 and the final release of 7.0. Note that Eudora uses listboxes not listviews. These are two very different standard Win32 controls. Also note that we haven't been able to duplicate many other problems you have reported and simply don't agree with your assessment of the stability of WE 7.0 verses 6.1. You always have the option of sending us a machine to help us duplicate your problems. Also note that if you have multi-monitor that WE will not see things that are displayed on the second monitor. This is a DCM limitation that applies to every AT product that uses DCM under XP.





At 03:09 AM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
        Of course gw should work on the new stuff.

What I'm saying is that things that always worked well are broke now.

Many people still use eudora and like it, it's been a main-stay in the blind community and works well or always has worked well with the major screen-readers.

The basic windows controls don't change that much, a list view is a list view, control types are control types.

It doesn't take anything really special to run eudora.

I believe the problems in eudora are in part the same as problems reflected other places, and if older versions of we can handle eudora the new stuf should be able to also.

Anyway, it's not just eudora users having trouble.

I will say it again, I believe this version of we was rushed out the door too soon, which is counter to what gwmicro usually does.

Scripting is partly to blame, a necessary step and growing pains are unavoidable.

Still, a little more time should have been taken to squash some important core issues.


        At 01:28 AM 9/23/2008, you wrote:
Sorry I forgot to CC this message to the list.


-----Original Message-----
From: jim grimsby Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:10 PM
To: 'Chris Belle'
Subject: RE: Eudora and Window-Eyes 7.0

Of course the company pushes software, and then acts as if that software
doesn't exist anymore. The truth of the matter is the software no longer
does exist anymore. As soon as software is no longer being developed. It is
a dead  product.
Fixing bugs in software requires research and development. would you prefer
research and development with a  program that is currently being developed,
And if accessibility problems do arise GW micro can work with the developer
of the program to resolve such issues, or would you prefer them to do the
R&D on programs which are no longer being developed, and therefore cannot be
fixed?
The fact of the matter is, like it or not. Eudora is no longer being
developed, and therefore newer e-mail alternatives need to be sought out.
I submit that this is the same thing as you were speaking of below with
Windows 98 and older Windows 98 applications

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Belle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:56 PM
To: gw-info-gwmicro.com
Subject: RE: Eudora and Window-Eyes 7.0

I respectfully submit that this is typical chasing your tail response
to a problem.

There is no reason eudora shouldn't work with we, it works
beautifully with jaws.

Thunderbird works with we, and isn't it supposed to be a very similar
engine?

Eudora has worked well with older versions of we, with 6.1 and earlier.

Email clients aren't that complex.

So telling someone they have to quit or change an email program that
has worked for years with standard windows api stuff and such isn't
the solution.

The solution is for the bugs to be fixed in we 7.

Anyway, if a product isn't being developed anymore, but is still
available, and lots of folks use it, well, it's not a moving target
any more is it?

And if something used to work but doesn't anymore, that's a regression.

It's not like someone wanting to run old 98 apps on an xp system
where the whole os changed, we're talking an email client.

We're talking list views and browse mode if you use the mocrosoft
viewer, we're talking more or less standard tool bars, and such.

So gw can fix this if they want to and if there's enough call for it
from the users.

I love it how these companies push things for ever, and then all of a
sudden that product doesn't exist anymore.

Sometimes it's more about polotics than access, or of course the dollar
bill.

Eudora meets my needs, and there are still issues with outlook
express and thunderbird, but eudora has some distinct advantages in
that it's easy to treat it in a modular fashion, grabbing the whole
folder and saving your mail easily without having to piece-meal your
address book and other settings, with outlook and tb stuff is
somewhat buried in windows, and eudora is a mature program even if
they're not developing it anymore.

So, I think when issues with listview crashes and other core issues
in window-eyes are addressed, many of the eudora issues will go away.

I hope I didn't ofend anyone, but that's how I see the truth as it stands.



         At 08:36 PM 9/22/2008, you wrote:
>I must point out that this product is no longer under development.
>Therefore, you might find it advantageous to upgrade to a newer e-mail
>client.
>I highly recommend Microsoft Outlook if you have a copy of Microsoft Office
>2007.
>If not, Windows Mail is a good alternative, otherwise known as Outlook
>express.
>I also understand that Thunderbird is an excellent e-mail client.
>I am sorry, but it sounds to me like an upgrade is in order
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Pat Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:22 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Eudora and Window-Eyes 7.0
>
>Hi GW Staff, and Everyone,
>
>As I'm trying to read email that is in my inbox, as soon as another
>message comes in, Window-Eyes automatically goes to the top of the
>email, and then I have to try and find my place again, in the email.
>
>This is very frustrating. Is there something I can do to change this,
>orkeep it from happening?
>
>Any help is greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks much.
>
>Regards,
>
>Pat Ferguson
>
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