Hi Marvin, I too am relatively new to window eyes, and I also have a laptop.
I went through all the possible options, and even some others, grumbling all the way about switching from jaws and having to learn new keys, and having difficulty with window eyes and a laptop. I would not recommend using the jaws keyboard layout. there are too many functions of window eyes which you won't ever learn to use properly that way. In my opinion, the window eyes laptop option is not nearly as good an idea is the competitions, and I much prefer, after a lot of experimentation, Eric's suggested approach. that is, learn to hold down the fn key of your laptop, and make the alphabetic keys on the right side act as numeric pad keys. this can be difficult at times, as there are some 3 key sequences which then become 4-key sequences, and you're playing finger twister. I had a few sequence I just had to redefine because of that, and because laptops don't often have all the modifier keys on both sides of the space bar, making even the 3-key sequences hard. If you try and use the laptop layout offered by window eyes, then every time anyone tries to help you, they are likely to express their answer in terms of window eyes keystrokes, and they won't apply to you using your laptop layout. If you have to switch back and forth between a window eyes pc and a jaws pc, then Jamal has created a script called the "homer" layout, which is supposed to make that easier somehow. I didn't see how, but if you have that situation, you may want to look into that further. I do find it much easier in window eyes to use the menus of the control panel to lookup what a particular command's key sequence is; I find this a real advantage over other readers, and so, really helpful to a new user who learns to use the menus of the control panel to find key commands. hth, Chip Chip -----Original Message----- From: erik burggraaf [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 11:48 AM To: Marvin Hunkin Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: USING WINDOW EYES WITH A LAPTOP Hi, I suggest one of two approaches. First, plug in a usb keybord. The number pad on the left now controls all the mouse functions, and you can start pushing buttons to find out what they do. Once you are comfortable using the mouse functions with the desktop keyboard, then unplug that keybord. On the left hand side of your laptop keybord at the bottom you have an fn key. It is usually on one side or the other of the left control key. Hold this down, and the right side of your keyboard becomes a standard number pad. Once you get used to the feel the mouse functions are right where you would expect them to be from your learning on the desktop keybord, more or less with the major difference being the placement of the left and right mouse click buttons. The other approach you can take is to switch to laptop layout from the get go. Press insert 1 to turn on keybord help, and then use control plus shift plus the keys on the right hand side of the keybord to learn what they do. I like the first approach personally. Unfortunately I am stuck with the second because apple took the number pad off of their laptop lines last year and effectively crippled window-eyes mouse functions not to mention numpad commander on the os 10 side. Best, erik burggraaf A+ sertified technician and user support consultant. Phone: 888-255-5194 Email: [email protected] On 11-Jul-09, at 9:00 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote: > Hi. > just downloaded window eyes 7.1 demo. > need to know how to set it up to work with a toshiba a 300 satelite > psag4a > laptop. > 2 gb ram, 2 ghz processor, 250 gb hard disk. > now need to know how to read window eyes using the mouse keys. > and a jaws user. > but need to use window eyes. > a web site designer. > doing a star trek site in visual web developers and sql 2008. > visual studio express 2008. > and now was using a list view control. > and using jaws. it would not speak the checkboxes. > when you clicked the configure list view. > need to check the following check boxes, like enable Editing. > etc. > so have read the doucmentation. > but could not seem to find any thing about how to use window eyes > with a > laptop. > need to get these options to work. > so then i can configure this list box view. > a blind programming friend. > writing a series of articles and helping me out develop my site. > so this time, just for this occasion need to learn how to use > window eyes. > any help please. > i set up the keyboard for laptop. > I USE THE INSERT KEY WHEN SETTING UP FOR A LAPTOP KEYBOARD. > AND USE THE CAPS LOCK KEY. > BUT WINDOW EYES IS NOT LETTING ME USE THAT. > SO LOOKED THROUGH DOCUMENTATION. > CANNOT FIND ANY THING. > SO STUCK. > CAN ANY ONE HLEP ME OUT. > A NEWBIE USING WINDOW EYES MARVIN.. 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