Hi Martin, Thanks for checking into it and letting me know that this is how your 7.11 is operating.
To answer your question as to a bug and why browse mode shouldn't turn on when you turned it off yourself. In the past, before gw implemented the alt keyboard numbers to read and/or focus onto an item in the header, turning off browse mode and then tabbing to the header was the only way to get to your header information and read all the information that was in those fields. Back then, when you tabbed back to the body of the message, browse mode would turn on automatically. In fact, that was how you knew you were in the body, without doubt. So now, using the older method, we have an inconsistency in the behavior of the program as compared to the alt keyboard method of focusing. So is this a bug, or is it easily fixable, giving us users a consistent interface? As it is right now, a beginner who turns off browse mode and tabs back to the body wouldn't know he/she were in the body, unless they landed on a link in the body of the message and recognized it. In fact, right now, if they were to tab back to the body of a message that didn't have a link, they'd hear nothing at all until browse mode was turned back on. Why cause a beginner to try to figure that out when turning on browse mode automatically would solve the confusion, especially isince that is the way it works when you use alt plus keyboard numbers. I'm just asking questions. I know bug or feature positions can pretty much be defended with legitimate arguments on either side, and you have a very valid point. But right now, I'm feeling, if the coding to make the situation consistent could be done easily, I'd go for the consistency. Best, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Thomas Schrott To: Steve Zielinski ; [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:43 AM Subject: Re: Browse mode and outlook express acting differently with beta 1 Steve, i have we 7.11 installed and this version behaves exactly the same!!! When you go to the subject by alt + 6 (twice tap) and then get back with tabulator, browse mode is still on. But when you turn off the browsemode and shift + tabulator to the subject, then back tabulator to the message, the browsemode will not turn on automatically. and additional, I think this is the correct behaviour!Why should WE turn on the browsemode automatically, when I turned it off manually? I would not like WE to do this, because when I turn off the mode, I for sure have a reason for that *smile* So this is no bug. And no feature *smile* Just normal behaviour. all the best, Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Zielinski To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:54 PM Subject: Re: Browse mode and outlook express acting differently with beta 1 OK folks, I've been experimenting and let's see if this can now be duplicated. Essentially, if you focus onto the header of the message with a double press of the alt key with a keyboard number, for instance, hold down alt then tap number 6 twice to focus on the subject line of the header, when you tab back, or for that matter shift-tab back, to the body of the message, browse mode does automatically turn on and you can read the body of the message normally. However, if you go to the header in the other way, that is, while in the body of the message, you manually turn off browse mode with ctrl-shift-a, then tab or shift-tab to the header of the message, when you then tab back to the body, you need to manually turn on browse mode again. This used to not happen in older versions of WE. Browse mode used to turn on automatically when coming back to the body in this manner. Perhaps this isn't a true bug, since the double keyboard number press with alt key method is now the more common way to get to the header. However, I seem to recall that both methods worked in the same way before this beta version. Can this now be duplicated by folks? Is this a bug or just a "feature" of the newer versions of WE? Best, Steve ----- ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Zielinski To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Browse mode and outlook express acting differently with beta 1 OK, I spoke too early, was confused. The problem isn't when editing a message, it is during the reading of a message in outlook express. I've tested again, and if I focus to the header area, then tab back to the body of the message I am reading, browse mode doesn't turn on automatically as it did in the past. I have to manually turn on browse mode. What happens when I tab into the body of the message is that I'm put on a link in the message, if there is one, rather than browse mode turning on, allowing me to up and down arrow through the message body. I've reinstalled the factory set files to version 1.6 I think that is what the version is, and have a maximized reading window while reading messages. Anybody else having this problem? Some have reported to me they are not. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Zielinski To: walter Cone ; Stanley Littrell Cc: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:39 PM Subject: Re: Browse mode and outlook express acting differently with beta 1 OK, I had my factory sets set to the default, but reinstalled them anyway, also maximized the editing window. Now it seems the problem is gone. But since I didn't do this one step at a time, I'm not sure if it got fixed because of the reinstalling of the factory sets, or through the maximization. I'll report back in a day or so to let you all know if the problem is really fixed. I've just tested this on this message. Thanks for the advice, Steve - Original Message ----- From: walter Cone To: Stanley Littrell ; Steve Zielinski Cc: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:49 AM Subject: Re: Browse mode and outlook express acting differently with beta 1 Hi Stan and Steve, Try making sure your outlook express set files are updated to the wineyes 7.2 beta. This should solve the problem. From: Stanley Littrell Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:45 AM To: Steve Zielinski Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Browse mode and outlook express acting differently with beta 1 I am using the same configuration with Outlook Express that you mentioned and am not having this problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Zielinski To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 5:18 AM Subject: Browse mode and outlook express acting differently with beta 1 I'm using 7.2 beta1, outlook Express, xp service pack 3. I've just now noticed a difference in the way browse mode is acting in outlook express. If you use the alt 1 through 7 keys to focus on any of the items in the header, for instance by pressing alt6 twice to focus on the subject line, when you tab back to the body of the message, browse mode doesn't automatically turn on. You have to manually turn it on with ctrl-shift-a command. It used to automatically turn itself on when tabbing back to the body of the message. I don't know if this change of behavior happened in the beta or in version 7.11. Before the introduction of the alt plus number keys to read the header lines, and/or focusing on the header, I used to get to the header of the message by turning browse mode off in the body of the message with ctrl-shift-a, then ttabbing or shift-tabbing to the header. This method of getting to the header from the body still works, which is fine, and Often, I still do this out of habbit. Regardless of how you focus on the header, Now when you tab back to the body, you have to manually turn on browse mode with ctrl-shift-a. I'm quite sure it used to turn browse mode on automatically in earlier versions of WE, but can't be sure this new behavior started in the beta or in version 7.11. It seems to me the way it's acting now can cause confusion, especially to a beginner. Steve __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4973 (20100325) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. 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