Not always.
Sometimes change is awful! When it's Change for Change sake or it's not
been a well thought out change in terms of computing with userbility
testing having been conducted.
Barry
-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Juranek [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:24 AM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected];
[email protected]
Subject: Re: I have something to say
Change is good, you know.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert C" <[email protected]>
To: "Wendy Sharpe" <[email protected]>, "'Craig Werner'"
<[email protected]>, "'Gw Micro \(List\]was <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, May 10, 2010 16:12:49
Subject: Re: I have something to say
>
>
> So right on. I too started with DOS and then Windows 95 and went from
> there. As time goes by, I enjoy this less and less. The more things
> change, the more energy is required to adapt. As they say, the only
> constant is change.
>
> There are, and always will be, people who do not take to this
> environment easily. I know someone who has been using computers for 10
> years or so and to this date she still can barely manage. She is so
afraid
> to venture out and even look at other applications unless she absolutely
> needs to use it.
>
> I used to enjoy surfing the web but I cuss almsot everytime I go to a
> web site now for I must spend more and more time trying to adapt. Firefox
> is wonderful 99% of thge time but on rare occasions I actually have to use
> Internet Explorer for one web site that simply is impossible.
>
> Some people may enjoy the challenge and are willing to spend the extra
> time learning new things. Others may not and that is perfectly fine. The
> truth is, we live in a sighted world that we must modify and adapt to.
And
> this is ongoing, it will never stop. It will never be a blind wolrd.
>
> Quote of the nanosecond. . .
> Save a tree. Eat a beaver.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wendy Sharpe" <[email protected]>
> To: "'Craig Werner'" <[email protected]>; "'Gw Micro (List]"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:22 PM
> Subject: RE: I have something to say
>
>
> > Craig
> >
> > Thank you for your kind words. I am not the most patient of people, and
> > have just been wrestling with a site where browse off wouldn't allow me
to
> > fill in a form, but cracked it in the end.
> >
> > Computers are far too complex for many people. My best friend is now
78,
> > and I often help her out when she just can't figure out how to do
> > something.
> > I may not think a task is rocket science, but others do, and I can
> > understand why this is so. I haven't followed the whole of this thread,
> > but
> > I understand that someone was having a rant, and I often feel like
ranting
> > when something doesn't work as well as I think it should. You do have
to
> > do
> > a lot of studying if you really want to get familiar with all the
> > technicalities. Someone once described it to me like learning to drive.
> > You can't expect to get in a car and drive off happily without knowing
how
> > the car works, the highway code, etc. I think learning to use computers
> > efficiently is far worse than learning to drive, and just for the
record,
> > I
> > have had some driving lessons on a disused airfield.
> >
> > Wendy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Craig Werner [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: 10 May 2010 20:22
> > To: GW Micro (List)
> > Subject: Re: I have something to say
> >
> > Wendy's words (see quoted text below) constitute one of the most
> > articulate and thoughtful posts I have read in twenty-five years of BBS
> > and email list activity. Her tactful remarks should be heeded by anyone
> > who enjoys consuming computers for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
> >
> > Craig
> >
> > On 5/10/2010 3:05 PM, Wendy Sharpe wrote:
> >ar I think it is often difficult for many people to do what you say,
Jim.
> > I
> >ar have been using computers since the late eighties, and had to learn a
lot
> >ar while working in a busy office environment. This gave me the impetus
to
> >ar learn, but it didn't make life any easier. I started Windows with
> >ar version
> >ar 3.1, if anyone can remember how slow that was. Things did improve,
but
> >ar every time an upgrade happened a new learning curve was necessary, and
> > often
> >ar colleagues were not really prepared to wait long enough for me to
learn
> >ar everything I needed to know.
> >ar
> >ar There are many people who have not been lucky enough to be employed,
and
> >ar life is rather different for them. For a start, they may never have
been
> >ar taught to touch type, which is a big barrier. Then there is the fact
> >ar that
> >ar computers are not just typewriters, but very complex machines, and you
do
> >ar need to know a lot to work them efficiently. Over the years I have
> > learned
> >ar many of the tricks and manners of computers, but still some things fog
my
> >ar brain. If only they wouldn't use so many initials, and would tell you
> >ar exactly what an option does rather than leave you in the dark
wondering
> >ar whether you need it or not. Then there are the huge number of
programs
> > you
> >ar can get to do all kinds of things, some of which you find useful when
you
> >ar have tried them, and others not at all!
> >ar
> >ar For those who are still just beginning to crack the code, so to speak,
I
> > can
> >ar fully understand how brain-numbing it can be. I remember my first DOS
> >ar computer, and how long it took me to get to grips with it. In those
days
> >ar there was little on tape or in braille to help the new user along, but
I
> > got
> >ar what I could find, and spent months studying. Learning all the
> >ar technicalities is an enormous challenge, and some people find it just
too
> >ar much to cope with.
> >ar
> >ar I have been using JAWS for years, largely because that was the program
I
> > got
> >ar through our Access to Work scheme in the UK. Last year I decided to
go
> > over
> >ar to Window-Eyes, and was delighted to note that the current version is
> > ready
> >ar for Windows 7. I spent many hours listening to the audio tutorials
and
> >ar reading the manual, and really didn't find the change too difficult,
but
> >ar I
> >ar am an experienced computer user, and have tried various screenreaders
> >ar over
> >ar time. I do find some aspects of Window-Eyes, such as browse mode,
rather
> >ar inconsistent and annoying at times, but for the most part I can do
what I
> >ar want to do very well. However, I am now retired, and don't need to
> >ar format
> >ar complicated documents with pretty front covers and various types of
> >ar headings, etc, which I had to do at work, so I don't need to worry
about
> > all
> >ar the complexities of MS Word.
> >ar
> >ar Regarding upgrading, this is something we all have to face in the end,
as
> >ar older versions of operating systems, internet browsers and the like
are
> >ar no
> >ar longer supported. That was one big reason for choosing Window-Eyes,
as
> >ar it
> >ar allowed me to upgrade to IE8. There are some wonderful people around
who
> >ar produce tutorials and user guides for many programs, and it is great
when
> >ar you can find one of these and it makes sense. Inexperienced users may
> >ar not
> >ar be able to search the web as well as we who know more, and I have
noticed
> > on
> >ar the technical lists to which I belong that some members are a great
deal
> >ar more experienced than others, so we all help each other out. The same
> >ar questions may be asked over and over again as new members join, but we
> >ar all
> >ar understand how hard it is getting started, so we don't mind repeating
> >ar ourselves. I have gained a great deal of help and useful information
> >ar from
> >ar other members, and for me this is what a list like this is all about.
> >ar
> >ar Wendy
> >ar
> >ar -----Original Message-----
> >ar From: jim grimsby Jr. [mailto:[email protected]]
> >ar Sent: 10 May 2010 19:35
> >ar To: Kevin Huber; gw-info
> >ar Subject: Re: I have something to say
> >ar
> >ar The following message will probably get me in trouble again, but the
> >ar facts
> >ar are these if you want the increased functionality, you will have to
learn
> >ar how to use the program. If you do not need the increased
functionality
> >ar stick with what you're familiar with, unless of course you upgrade
your
> >ar operating system and what you're familiar with, no longer works. Then
I
> >ar guess that falls under the category of increased functionality and you
> > will
> >ar just have to learn the new program. The sooner you accept that this
is
> >ar necessary and get down to the learning process. The sooner you will
be
> >ar an
> >ar experienced user with the program and you can get on with your life
and
> > use
> >ar the program that you desire.
> >ar
> >ar
> >ar --------------------------------------------------
> >ar From: "Kevin Huber"<[email protected]>
> >ar Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:21 AM
> >ar To: "gw-info"<[email protected]>
> >ar Subject: Re: I have something to say
> >ar
> >>> Hi:
> >>> I think the unwillingness to embrace change has to do more with the
> >>> fact that it takes us out of our comfort zone. For example, if we
> >>> have read our email the same way for a number of years and pressed the
> >>> exact same hotkeys in the exact same order, it becomes automatic, and
> >>> then, boom, you are faced with learning a new procedure and the old
> >>> sequence of hotkeys which became automatic, no longer work for you and
> >>> this causes frustration. This happens, or has happened to all of us
> >>> at one time or another.
> >>> I think this is partly why long-time JAWS users, if faced with the
> >>> prospect of having to learn Window-eyes might tell anyone who would
> >>> listen that Window-eyes is very hard, if not impossible to navigate,
> >>> which we all know isn't true, but that is the perception of some
> >>> longtime JAWS users who are just learning Window-eyes.
> >>> Kevin Huber
> >>>
> >>> On 5/3/10, [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Jim You are correct that we all need to move on. Part of that is
> >>>> moving
> >>>> through the Grieving process and I would claim that, for many people,
> >>>> saying good bye to an old version of software can mirror the grieving
> >>>> process-comthe first two stages of which are 1) Denial& Isolation
and,
> >>>> 2)
> >>>> Anger. This does not mean that the person won't progress to the
next
> >>>> stages and adjust, but it's perfectly normal to go through these
> >>>> stages.
> >>>> Some of us just don't adjust to change as quickly as others, but we
all
> >>>> go
> >>>> through the stages. That's why I said let him vent. This list
let's
> >>>> us
> >>>> vent to those who can imagine what we may be struggling with in the
> >>>> adjustment to new technology and then get supportive help. Far
better
> > to
> >>>> tell someone "yes, this is a struggle and you can learn the next
stuff
> >>>> with a little time".
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