Indeed, all change is not good particularly when proper testing is not
done. I can think of two cases involving companies for the blind where
proper beta testing was not done, and we were promised a first rate
product. Updates, change, and all the fresh bells and whistles are not
always the best solution to areas of the computing life since our
systems are based on elements all getting along properly, and when
they don't even a single element not properly interfaced or tested,
there is going to be a long lasting issue which leaves a sour
taste. And, since this is such a small community with word-of-mouth,
being on the internet as it were, news of folly and fubars like that
definitely get around.
Curtis Delzer.
HS.
At Monday 5/10/2010 05:59 PM, Barry Toner wrote:
>Not always.
>
>Sometimes change is awful! When it's Change for Change sake or it's not
>been a well thought out change in terms of computing with userbility
>testing having been conducted.
>
>Barry
>
>-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Juranek [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:24 AM
>To: [email protected]; [email protected];
>[email protected];
>[email protected]
>Subject: Re: I have something to say
>
>Change is good, you know.
>
>----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert C" <[email protected]>
>To: "Wendy Sharpe" <[email protected]>, "'Craig Werner'"
><[email protected]>, "'Gw Micro \(List\]was <[email protected]>
>Date: Monday, May 10, 2010 16:12:49
>Subject: Re: I have something to say
>
> >
> >
> > So right on. I too started with DOS and then Windows 95 and went
> > from
>
> > there. As time goes by, I enjoy this less and less. The more things
> > change, the more energy is required to adapt. As they say, the only
> > constant is change.
> >
> > There are, and always will be, people who do not take to this
> > environment easily. I know someone who has been using computers for
> > 10
> > years or so and to this date she still can barely manage. She is so
>afraid
> > to venture out and even look at other applications unless she
> > absolutely
> > needs to use it.
> >
> > I used to enjoy surfing the web but I cuss almsot everytime I go
> > to a
> > web site now for I must spend more and more time trying to adapt.
> > Firefox
>
> > is wonderful 99% of thge time but on rare occasions I actually have
> > to use
>
> > Internet Explorer for one web site that simply is impossible.
> >
> > Some people may enjoy the challenge and are willing to spend the
> > extra
>
> > time learning new things. Others may not and that is perfectly fine.
> > The
>
> > truth is, we live in a sighted world that we must modify and adapt
> > to.
>And
> > this is ongoing, it will never stop. It will never be a blind wolrd.
> >
> > Quote of the nanosecond. . .
> > Save a tree. Eat a beaver.
> > Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn
> > E-mail-
> > [email protected]
> > Home Page-
> > http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wendy Sharpe" <[email protected]>
> > To: "'Craig Werner'" <[email protected]>; "'Gw Micro (List]"
> > <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 1:22 PM
> > Subject: RE: I have something to say
> >
> >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > Thank you for your kind words. I am not the most patient of
> > > people, and
> > > have just been wrestling with a site where browse off wouldn't
> > > allow me
>to
> > > fill in a form, but cracked it in the end.
> > >
> > > Computers are far too complex for many people. My best friend is
> > > now
>78,
> > > and I often help her out when she just can't figure out how to do
> > > something.
> > > I may not think a task is rocket science, but others do, and I can
> > > understand why this is so. I haven't followed the whole of this
> > > thread,
>
> > > but
> > > I understand that someone was having a rant, and I often feel like
>ranting
> > > when something doesn't work as well as I think it should. You do
> > > have
>to
> > > do
> > > a lot of studying if you really want to get familiar with all the
> > > technicalities. Someone once described it to me like learning to
> > > drive.
> > > You can't expect to get in a car and drive off happily without
> > > knowing
>how
> > > the car works, the highway code, etc. I think learning to use
> > > computers
> > > efficiently is far worse than learning to drive, and just for the
>record,
> > > I
> > > have had some driving lessons on a disused airfield.
> > >
> > > Wendy
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Craig Werner [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > Sent: 10 May 2010 20:22
> > > To: GW Micro (List)
> > > Subject: Re: I have something to say
> > >
> > > Wendy's words (see quoted text below) constitute one of the most
> > > articulate and thoughtful posts I have read in twenty-five years of
> > > BBS
> > > and email list activity. Her tactful remarks should be heeded by
> > > anyone
> > > who enjoys consuming computers for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > On 5/10/2010 3:05 PM, Wendy Sharpe wrote:
> > >ar I think it is often difficult for many people to do what you
> > >say,
>Jim.
> > > I
> > >ar have been using computers since the late eighties, and had to
> > >learn a
>lot
> > >ar while working in a busy office environment. This gave me the
> > >impetus
>to
> > >ar learn, but it didn't make life any easier. I started Windows
> > >with
> > >ar version
> > >ar 3.1, if anyone can remember how slow that was. Things did
> > >improve,
>but
> > >ar every time an upgrade happened a new learning curve was
> > >necessary, and
> > > often
> > >ar colleagues were not really prepared to wait long enough for me to
>learn
> > >ar everything I needed to know.
> > >ar
> > >ar There are many people who have not been lucky enough to be
> > >employed,
>and
> > >ar life is rather different for them. For a start, they may never
> > >have
>been
> > >ar taught to touch type, which is a big barrier. Then there is the
> > >fact
> > >ar that
> > >ar computers are not just typewriters, but very complex machines,
> > >and you
>do
> > >ar need to know a lot to work them efficiently. Over the years I
> > >have
> > > learned
> > >ar many of the tricks and manners of computers, but still some
> > >things fog
>my
> > >ar brain. If only they wouldn't use so many initials, and would
> > >tell you
> > >ar exactly what an option does rather than leave you in the dark
>wondering
> > >ar whether you need it or not. Then there are the huge number of
>programs
> > > you
> > >ar can get to do all kinds of things, some of which you find useful
> > >when
>you
> > >ar have tried them, and others not at all!
> > >ar
> > >ar For those who are still just beginning to crack the code, so to
> > >speak,
>I
> > > can
> > >ar fully understand how brain-numbing it can be. I remember my
> > >first DOS
> > >ar computer, and how long it took me to get to grips with it. In
> > >those
>days
> > >ar there was little on tape or in braille to help the new user
> > >along, but
>I
> > > got
> > >ar what I could find, and spent months studying. Learning all the
> > >ar technicalities is an enormous challenge, and some people find it
> > >just
>too
> > >ar much to cope with.
> > >ar
> > >ar I have been using JAWS for years, largely because that was the
> > >program
>I
> > > got
> > >ar through our Access to Work scheme in the UK. Last year I decided
> > >to
>go
> > > over
> > >ar to Window-Eyes, and was delighted to note that the current
> > >version is
> > > ready
> > >ar for Windows 7. I spent many hours listening to the audio
> > >tutorials
>and
> > >ar reading the manual, and really didn't find the change too
> > >difficult,
>but
> > >ar I
> > >ar am an experienced computer user, and have tried various
> > >screenreaders
> > >ar over
> > >ar time. I do find some aspects of Window-Eyes, such as browse
> > >mode,
>rather
> > >ar inconsistent and annoying at times, but for the most part I can
> > >do
>what I
> > >ar want to do very well. However, I am now retired, and don't need
> > >to
> > >ar format
> > >ar complicated documents with pretty front covers and various types
> > >of
> > >ar headings, etc, which I had to do at work, so I don't need to
> > >worry
>about
> > > all
> > >ar the complexities of MS Word.
> > >ar
> > >ar Regarding upgrading, this is something we all have to face in the
> > >end,
>as
> > >ar older versions of operating systems, internet browsers and the
> > >like
>are
> > >ar no
> > >ar longer supported. That was one big reason for choosing
> > >Window-Eyes,
>as
> > >ar it
> > >ar allowed me to upgrade to IE8. There are some wonderful people
> > >around
>who
> > >ar produce tutorials and user guides for many programs, and it is
> > >great
>when
> > >ar you can find one of these and it makes sense. Inexperienced
> > >users may
>
> > >ar not
> > >ar be able to search the web as well as we who know more, and I have
>noticed
> > > on
> > >ar the technical lists to which I belong that some members are a
> > >great
>deal
> > >ar more experienced than others, so we all help each other out. The
> > >same
> > >ar questions may be asked over and over again as new members join,
> > >but we
>
> > >ar all
> > >ar understand how hard it is getting started, so we don't mind
> > >repeating
> > >ar ourselves. I have gained a great deal of help and useful
> > >information
> > >ar from
> > >ar other members, and for me this is what a list like this is all
> > >about.
> > >ar
> > >ar Wendy
> > >ar
> > >ar -----Original Message-----
> > >ar From: jim grimsby Jr. [mailto:[email protected]]
> > >ar Sent: 10 May 2010 19:35
> > >ar To: Kevin Huber; gw-info
> > >ar Subject: Re: I have something to say
> > >ar
> > >ar The following message will probably get me in trouble again, but
> > >the
> > >ar facts
> > >ar are these if you want the increased functionality, you will have
> > >to
>learn
> > >ar how to use the program. If you do not need the increased
>functionality
> > >ar stick with what you're familiar with, unless of course you
> > >upgrade
>your
> > >ar operating system and what you're familiar with, no longer works.
> > >Then
>I
> > >ar guess that falls under the category of increased functionality
> > >and you
> > > will
> > >ar just have to learn the new program. The sooner you accept that
> > >this
>is
> > >ar necessary and get down to the learning process. The sooner you
> > >will
>be
> > >ar an
> > >ar experienced user with the program and you can get on with your
> > >life
>and
> > > use
> > >ar the program that you desire.
> > >ar
> > >ar
> > >ar --------------------------------------------------
> > >ar From: "Kevin Huber"<[email protected]>
> > >ar Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 8:21 AM
> > >ar To: "gw-info"<[email protected]>
> > >ar Subject: Re: I have something to say
> > >ar
> > >>> Hi:
> > >>> I think the unwillingness to embrace change has to do more with
> > >>> the
> > >>> fact that it takes us out of our comfort zone. For example, if
> > >>> we
> > >>> have read our email the same way for a number of years and
> > >>> pressed the
> > >>> exact same hotkeys in the exact same order, it becomes automatic,
> > >>> and
> > >>> then, boom, you are faced with learning a new procedure and the
> > >>> old
> > >>> sequence of hotkeys which became automatic, no longer work for
> > >>> you and
> > >>> this causes frustration. This happens, or has happened to all of
> > >>> us
> > >>> at one time or another.
> > >>> I think this is partly why long-time JAWS users, if faced with
> > >>> the
> > >>> prospect of having to learn Window-eyes might tell anyone who
> > >>> would
> > >>> listen that Window-eyes is very hard, if not impossible to
> > >>> navigate,
> > >>> which we all know isn't true, but that is the perception of some
> > >>> longtime JAWS users who are just learning Window-eyes.
> > >>> Kevin Huber
> > >>>
> > >>> On 5/3/10, [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>> Jim You are correct that we all need to move on. Part of that
> > >>>> is
> > >>>> moving
> > >>>> through the Grieving process and I would claim that, for many
> > >>>> people,
> > >>>> saying good bye to an old version of software can mirror the
> > >>>> grieving
> > >>>> process-comthe first two stages of which are 1) Denial&
> > >>>> Isolation
>and,
> > >>>> 2)
> > >>>> Anger. This does not mean that the person won't progress to
> > >>>> the
>next
> > >>>> stages and adjust, but it's perfectly normal to go through these
> > >>>> stages.
> > >>>> Some of us just don't adjust to change as quickly as others, but
> > >>>> we
>all
> > >>>> go
> > >>>> through the stages. That's why I said let him vent. This
> > >>>> list
>let's
> > >>>> us
> > >>>> vent to those who can imagine what we may be struggling with in
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> adjustment to new technology and then get supportive help. Far
>better
> > > to
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>stuff
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