Hi! I have repeated this again and again on this list, so I guess I will say it again. You know what Gw's pholosiphy is. They are going to make sure it works, before they release it, so they can make sure the bugs are out, and everything works. What do you want more. A screen reader that is crappy, that has many bugs, and freezes up on the internet? Or, would you rather have a screen reader that hardly ever freezes up, works good on websites, and gets the job done. Ok, I think you understand my point. Give them some time, and when the next version comes out, we'll all be sayin, "Oh, I'm so glad I waited for that upgrade! It makes webpages work great!" So, if you want a nice screen reader, be patient! Or, if you want a cruddy window-eyes that gw just throws out there, just to make people happy, then I guess your patience will be lost. So let's let gw make sure it works, and then we'll get something good, I'm sure of that. Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: David <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>, "Tom" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, Dec 9, 2010 17:32:11 Subject: Re: WE and web pages > > > I have stated this before, and am willing to repeat it: > > Long as WE keeps its browser mode hidden deep inside the core, we will end > up in things like now. And, yes, it has been overdue for a long time, to > have an upgrade to the browser mode. OK, I know, they tell it will be around > in the next major version, and that there has been other stuff that has > needed the attention. But, sorry, that is what will be the case yesterday, > today and tomorrow. The day after tomorrow. The day after that one again. > Well, always. GW proud themselves of being a 'rock solid' screen reader, and > earlier this year one of their representants proud them of being first out > with support for the new office, Vista and so forth. Yet, pretty soon, they > will be last out with support for many a website. True, it is important for > us to use our local system, meaning support for Office and the like. It is > great, that you can go and buy a Win7 machine, and know that your screen > reader will work on that one as well. But, honestly, how will you get that > computer, when your screen reader does not support you on your bank's > webpage that you could pay the bill? And, the scenario the initial person > wrote about, where things that are meant to be clickable, only shows up as > text in WE (well, at the best), is happening to that many websites now, I > really start to wonder if this is the 'standard' for today. > > At least one screen reader the German Blindows took the consequences of > this, way back in the very early 2000's. What they did, was to keep the > whole browse mode, seperate fromn their main screen reader. Well, for the > user, in the daily life, this meant little or know difference. Whenever you > open a website, the browser software kicked in, and tied up with the screen > reader to the extent you wouldn't notice it. Still, the real benefit hereof, > was that they could update the browser function, and did so, quite > frequently; without having to bother waiting for the next version of the > screen reader to come out two, three or four years down the stream. Am I > exergerating? Really? How long is it since, GW promised there would be an > upgrade to the browser mode? Two years? Well, don't let me complain. I know, > they have to make priorities; and there will always have to be something > that is left behind. Yet, how much more easily would it have been, if they > could have let out an update every so often, of the browser mode, to keep up > with such an ever changing area. After all, how often is it, that a new > version of Office or Windows is coming out? And yet, they do keep up with > that kind of releases and changes. The browser mode has not really been > updated for far more time than so. OK, we got some extra features when WE7 > came out two years ago, but a real face lift of the browsermode, that would > keep up with modernday websites? And, have a look at their scripts. Several > times a year, GWToolkit is updated just to mention one. Nice, yes, by all > means! But why not have a similar way of being able to quickly release and > keep up-to-date their browser mode. After all, THAT is where by far the > biggest, and most frequent changes in the computer world is going on. > > To burry the browser mode so deep inside the software code, that you have to > wait for years to have it updated, whilst you are releasing scripts for all > kinds of gadgets several times a year... Well, to me, that seems like the > people who like to stuff themselves with ice cream, and then when the > container is empty decide it is time to have dinner. :were > > So, GW, once again: > Make that browser mode a seperate feature be a seperate software, or be it > a script and let it be a thing of frequent updating. That way, you > programming guys, will also more easily be able to focus right on the part > of WE, that needs the most attention. > > Personally, I have found several things, that I used to do on the net, which > now is close to useless, due to the fact of WE not speaking the webpages > correctly. Oh, yes, they tell us we can use the mouse. Hmm, funny! :were Try > sit on a webpage, looking for your new hard drive, and click on 100 > different words, with your mouse; hoping that at least ONE of them will be > the word that was meant to be a link, button or whatever, but which WE only > reads as text. Guess who does decide to go to another store, hoping for > their webpage to be more 'old fascioned' so that his 'rock solid' MODERN > screen reader has the capability of reading out the links and buttons. :were > Does rock solid mean, this was the way it was ten years ago, so this is the > way we will keep it; till the day everyone else have passed by us? :were > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: WE and web pages > > > >I agree with your comment. I think one of the problems is > > that web designers don't have the knowledge to make sites > > accessible and many of them have just barely enough knowledge > > to design a site. The objective is to get the site up as > > quickly as possible no matter how poorly it is designed. > > > > Tom > > > > At 03:10 PM 12/9/10 com0600, Don H wrote: > >arAs web sites update their web sites it would seem that WE is > >arcoming more and more unable to work with them. Links do > >arnothing, buttons don't work and info on the screen that can > >arbe read by sight can't be read with WE. This holds true for > >arIE 8 and Firefox. > > > > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender > > only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is > > related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to > > [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. > > > > GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can > > manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. > > > If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender > only. 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