as far as i know the version 4 betas do use the 2 d rendering engine, which makes this a great leap for them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:36 AM Subject: Re: WE 7.5
Unfortunately, they are going to have to support both. Thunderbird and firefox are using msaa, and as far as I know, will continue to do so. I suspect we can complain all we wish, but resource shortages exist. The new method may be how we're going to access ie9 and windows live mail, if so, that could be explained. Podcasts, blogs and all are fine, but if there is information gw-micro wishes to distribute, they might start with the mailing listright here, we're the people trying to help each other with all this stuff. On 1/30/2011 10:18, jim grimsby Jr. wrote: > lets try to put this in some perspective. msaa is old and quite frankly > is not going to be used. so supporting new programs. so has it ever > accurd to any of you people that getting this support is the start on > the path to a new brows mode? internet explorer 9 is in beta and I do > believe it uses UIA and so that will be the next version of internet > explore so if gw micro has brows mode done buy the time it is released > or shortly there after that would be good. your grand kids indeed isn't > that an exaggeration of a rather high magnitude. > Jim Grimsby JR. > Skype name: Jim.Grimsby > Skype number: 909-498-4711. > E-mail: [email protected] > Twitter: Jgrimsby > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:37 AM > To: "Don H" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: WE 7.5 > >> Apparently, we are at least two! >> >> Sorry, GW. Yes, I do see your point, that it was of great interest to >> ensure support for 64-bit, Win7, and office 2010. And as such, OK you >> put browse mode on the side board for a while. But won't that be >> exactly what is going to happen over and over again? Tomorrow, a new >> Windows, Office or technology is going to come out. And, you - are >> going to 'have to' put browse mode OFF for yet a bit of time. OK, you >> could always keep wetting people's apetite by telling them, it will >> come in the next version. Then, just make sure WE8 won't be out, till >> you have had your time on fixing the stuff. Well, I am sorry. That >> way, browse mode would never be fixed. And, it would have been more >> fair to tell us, that it will be fixed the day my grand-children >> graduates. Smile! >> >> I think it was Doug, who stated in the podcast, that people REALLY >> NEED the UIA (or whatever it was called). Be it so! Yet, out of the >> thousands of users of WE worldwide, I guess we could at the best say >> there is fifty percent that has a job, another thirty percent that are >> students, and the rest private users (only using their WE for home >> usage). OK, the figures might be discussed - but at the best these are >> the numbers. Out of all the working and studying people, a handful >> might still be in institutions where they can cling on to their old >> stuff. Fact is, I guess it is more like several handfuls, since not >> all companies run out and spend thousands of dollars, on upgrading to >> every new version of Office, for instance. And, an even bigger >> handful, will be in working situations, where they don't need the >> newest versions of all of this, so as to perform their everyday job. >> And, how many of the home users do you expect, run down at the corner >> store, to pick up every single new-comer the market wants to throw on >> us? How many private ecconomies has the shoulders to carry such >> expenses? At the very end of the figure, we are left with a handful - >> or two - that REALLY NEED their UIA support. Fine, go ahead and give >> them this support in WE. But, don't forget, that more like ONE-HUNDRED >> PERCENT of your customers, are using the browse mode, every day - >> SEVERAL times a day - and for more than one software or kind of >> operation. >> >> Take a look at the mailing list, for instance. How many users have >> actually been on there, the last six months, asking for support for >> the MSAA replacement? Now, turn over the page, and count the number of >> users, telling they are experiencing trouble in accessing web pages. >> Which of these numbers do you find the highest? My calculator has but >> ONE answer, and I guess it is no special-edition calculator. Smile! If >> it was only a few web pages, we could have told people to stay away >> from them. But it is not. It is more or less all cross the board; >> people can't access certain critical features of the page. Browse mode >> does not load properly, leaving the user without speech, till he >> closes the web browser. And, a few more 'good reasons' for calling for >> the new browse mode to come out. THIS, is the everyday most of us are >> facing. Listening to your customers, might call for a fix. THAT, is >> what we have heard for months, and years, will be fixed in the next >> major version. True, it is not around yet - that major version - but >> it sure would be nice to have it here. Chances are, that the users >> will find other screen readers handling web pages more sufficiently, >> hence choose to switch to another screen reader. Not right away. Not >> because they don't like WE, or prefer the other alternatives. Simply >> because, they HAVE TO - so as to be able to handle their everyday >> tasks. And, if browse mode always will have to leave the board, so as >> to make room for the other 'important' stuff, when do you expect >> browse mode to have its update? >> >> >> As a footer to all of this, keep in mind, that MANY a user is NOT >> located in the USA. Typically, the local version of WE in my area, is >> released just about six months after the US version has had its final >> release. That means, the users who has to wait for the new versions of >> WE in their local flavor, will have to fall even more behind, before >> they get their hands on a version that deals with the modern world. >> I.e, Microsoft did release Vista in our area, pretty much at the same >> time as the US version. Yet, the local WE users did have no access to >> Vista, for another half-year. When you finally decide to release WE8, >> with the new browse mode implemented, the non-US users might have to >> sit back for months, before they finally can start to enjoy the >> upgraded browse mode. Do you think internet will 'sit back' and wait >> for them to go modern? Allright, you have no control over the >> internet. And GW staff, you don't have the full control over how >> quickly things are translated. I do see these points. Yet, since this >> is the experienced facts, keeping putting 'browse mode' off for >> eternity, will just make the non-US users even more left behind, since >> they will have to expect browse mode trouble for even longer. >> >> With the risk of sounding merely negative and critical, I am putting >> out those thoughts. I really try not to be negative. Yet, I do hold, >> there is many a user - that feel the same disappointment that do I, >> knowing we once again have been thrown off the chariot, being told >> that browse mode is not facing any immediate upgrade. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:07 PM >> Subject: WE 7.5 >> >> >>> If I understood the Blind Bargains interview discussing WE 7.5 browse >>> mode still won't be fixed with this release. >>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>> sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your >>> message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your >>> message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. >>> >>> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. 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