yes, for example, if you click on my documents and you don't wait until the operating system has stopped loading first before you use window eyes, then wineyes will crash. also when outlook is downloading new mail, wineyes will become unresponsive. It's as if wineyes doesn't like any other program using the system resources, because anytime the hour glass thing comes up, wineyes becomes extremely sluggish or stops working all together. thanks Edward -----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:17 PM To: Edward Subject: Re: A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes and Web Browsing)
Slow down to let Window-Eyes catch up with you? Well, then it is not just me! And they keep telling us how much more responsive Window-Eyess gets for every new release. True, it is more responsive, when it works. But it is also far more quick to go hide itself, and think it is bedtimes for old screen readers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward <mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 4:53 PM Subject: FW: A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes and Web Browsing) I agree. I find myself using jaws more and more on the net these days. I am tired of IE hanging or links not being clickable, edit boxes being sluggish, wineyes crashing. It seems like wineyes doesn't like being used quickly. Meaning if you are a quick navigator wineyes struggles to keep up, and when it can't, it crashes. I find myself having to slow down in order to give wineyes a chance to catch up with me. thanks Edward -----Original Message----- From: Jacob Schmude [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes and Web Browsing) Hi ** Warning: Begin a sort of rant ** Unfortunately, the Firefox issues have been in Window-Eyes for years. Essentially, dynamic content causes the entire page to be refreshed. Google's edit field causes the page to change as you type in order for it to suggest search results, and this triggers window-eyes' page reload behavior. We have been promised a fix for this for years and have never gotten it and, while I don't know about anyone else, I'm losing my patience with window-eyes on the web with Firefox in particular, but with IE as well. Window-Eyes' support for Firefox is a joke. Standard elements such as onclicks are not identified (most other screen readers call these clickables), image links are not identified as links, reviewing edited text doesn't work, the auto completion and history list in the address bar do not work properly (they briefly flash in Braille but never speak), flash within Firefox is not accessible, mouseOvers and other dynamic content do not update the buffer or when they do you are thrown to the top, and I could go on. These are things we've been promised fixes for, and what do we get? New whiz-bang features with old bugs. Internet Explorer 9 is not much better (GW, did you even test IE9 at all?). Dynamic pages with hidden elements are not properly rendered (the hidden elements are shown when they should not be, have a look at Gmail or Google Voice's pages for that one), There are random headings and lists with 0 items inserted everywhere while real headings are not identified (blindbargains.com for that last), entering text in forms somehow fails to allow all typed characters through (I'm a fast typist). Each and every one of these problems I've listed, the free screen reader NVDA has overcome (most of these it never exhibited at all). Jaws, that other screen reader, isn't far behind and Baum's Cobra doesn't have these troubles either. Quite frankly, given the importance of the internet, this is unacceptable and, as a Window-Eyes customer for years, I feel more than a little cheated. To GW: Don't follow FS down the path of release release release but don't fix. I don't care if it takes two years for a new version, as long as that new version of Window-Eyes works to the best of your abilities. This is not the best and, if you're going to brag about your IE9 support, you'd better make blasted sure it works as advertised. The 7.5 release only had one beta cycle. One. Let's look at this honestly for a second, no marketing, no pr. What does 7.5 offer over 7.2 that is worth paying $175 for? A new set file format? Not worth that much. A few new scripting functions? Again, not worth that. Cascading settings (a nice feature and long overdue, but worth $175?). A rename of scripts to app (boy, that must've taken a lot of effort there). Meanwhile, long standing bugs go unfixed, and the web is just one area. I could go on but, these days, I'm not sure that GW Micro really care. I can't tell off the top of my head exactly how much I've put into window-eyes over the years since I've owned it, and I'm now using NVDA instead because it's less buggy and actually allows me to get real work done. That's just not acceptable QA in my book, and I can't in good conscience put my hard-earned cash behind a product with this many problems. I apologize for the harshness, but I've reported many of these within the past several years and have never seen one fix. Perhaps a little harshness will get my point across a bit better. I leave that up to you, GW Micro. ** end rant ** I've never seen the IE8 hanging issue but I'm well familiar with the rest of the problems you're having. You're not alone. On 6/12/2011 14:58, Cory Martin wrote: Hello, Just wanted to report a couple of issues that I've noticed with Window Eyes with web browsing: With Internet Explorer version 8: Firstly there seem to be issues with Google, specifically after doing a search, for some reason browse mode doesn't come back on. It can be enabled with the usual command, however it's the only site which doesn't seem to bring browse mode back on after entering a search string. More difficult to identify however is a strange issue which seems to affect Internet Explorer where when the browser is first opened it just hangs, yet opening a second instance of it may work just fine. I've tried resetting it in the advanced tab under internet options, as well as using C-Cleaner to remove extra files, as well as clearing personal data. The issue persists, yet with other screen readers it doesn't seem to happen. This does not seem to be a problem with Firefox. With Mozilla Firefox latest version: I switched to Firefox full time after having the unsolvable hanging problem with Internet Explorer. However with Firefox, there seems to be issues with staying in forms for entering text. For example if I'm trying to enter a word in to Google it keeps dropping me back in to browse mode every time I press the space bar. I've had to use notepad to type out my search string and then paste it in to the browser. I'm not sure which is more annoying. With either browser: When trying to arrow arrow around in edit boxes on web pages in both Internet Explorer or Firefox, Window Eyes just makes a ding sound when trying to review text entered. It is necessary to drop back in to browse mode to review what's been entered and then re-enter the edit box and re-position the cursor to where one wants to correct something based on best guess, or by cutting the text to notepad and editing it there. Does anyone have any experience with these problems to either confirm or deny them? Also and more importantly, does anyone know of work-arounds to these issues? Thanks, Cory If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the list and your message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. You can manage your list subscription at http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv.
