No, I am not saying I don't see problems with it, but once I brought the
resolution down to 1024 X 768 I started having less problems.
Frankly, I got so tired of problems with Live Mail I switched to Outlook
2010. I had to use it for work and just decided it was best to just go with
Outlook for both home and work.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Jacobson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes and Web
Browsing)
Dave,
Let's be clear though, are you saying you have no double-reading of anything
in Windows Live, no double or tripple identifying of controls, and great
keyboard response when typing a new message, or at least as good as any
other application? If so, what resolution are you using? <smile> One of
my
frustrations is that Windows Live doesn't work consistently. I'll think I
have fixed something and the next time I run it the old problems return.
This has been
on multiple machines.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:14:41 -0500, David Tanner wrote:
Steve,
There are many things that can effect the use of Windows Live, but the
biggest is that it is Windows Live. I have found though that sometimes if
you get the right resolution set on your system that may help some.
And, when the screen reader companies tell you resolution doesn't make any
difference then tell them that you are smart enough to not believe that
claim no matter how much they try to insist that it is true.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Jacobson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes and Web
Browsing)
These posts interest me. When I tried a demo of JFW with Windows Live, it
worked all right but I still got some double reading of folder names and
such.
I've also had some strange things with Windows Live and Window-Eyes, and it
interests me when someone says they are not having any problems because
I wonder what it is I could be changing. I find, for example, that there
is
a good deal of double reading of folder information, and that some of the
menus do
not read correctly. For example, if I am on the message list, and if I go
to the Options menu by pressing ALT F followed by the letter O, control
types such as
"Dialog" are read two or even three times for each item. I find that if an
item is disabled, that the word "Disabled" is spoken when I navigate to the
next
item with the ARROW keys. Please understand that I'm not complaining
because I know that some of this is already known, but if you are not
having
any
of these problems, there has to be something within our systems that is
different and my problem is probably not with Window-Eyes. I also have
some
occasional very slow keyboard response. My experiences are using Windows 7
32-bit on a Netbook. What are you using?
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:53:03 -0700, Russ Kiehne wrote:
MessageI'm using WE 7.5 with WLM 2011 and it works great. I find it bvery
responsive.
-----Original Message-----
From: tony c
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:41 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes and
Web
Browsing)
Hi,
Yea! Iâ¬"m using a demo of jaws 12 right not. As much as I hate to admit
it
it
works great with windows live mail. No lagging, and the reading keys work
properly. But, like you $1195 is a lot of money when you have already
spent
$900 .
(smile)
Tony C
From: Portia
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:30 PM
To: Edward ; [email protected]
Subject: Re: A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes and
Web
Browsing)
Oh wow. Yeah I'm already having to use a JAWS 12 demo. I had to update to
Internet Explorer 9 and Firefox 4 cause yeah IE would just hang pretty
much
and freeze. So yeah now I've had to resort to a JAWS 12 demo as I cant
afford the $1095 or more for the pro version as I'm using Windows 7
Ultimate.
Have a beautiful day.
Smiles,
Portia.
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:47 PM
Subject: FW: A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes and
Web
Browsing)
yes, for example, if you click on my documents and you don't wait until
the
operating system has stopped loading first before you use window eyes,
then
wineyes will crash. also when outlook is downloading new mail, wineyes
will
become unresponsive. It's as if wineyes doesn't like any other program
using the system resources, because anytime the hour glass thing comes up,
wineyes becomes extremely sluggish or stops working all together.
thanks
Edward
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:17 PM
To: Edward
Subject: Re: A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes and
Web
Browsing)
Slow down to let Window-Eyes catch up with you? Well, then it is not just
me! And they keep telling us how much more responsive Window-Eyess gets
for
every new release. True, it is more responsive, when it works. But it is
also far more quick to go hide itself, and think it is bedtimes for old
screen readers.
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 4:53 PM
Subject: FW: A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes and
Web
Browsing)
I agree. I find myself using jaws more and more on the net these days. I
am tired of IE hanging or links not being clickable, edit boxes being
sluggish, wineyes crashing. It seems like wineyes doesn't like being used
quickly. Meaning if you are a quick navigator wineyes struggles to keep
up,
and when it can't, it crashes. I find myself having to slow down in order
to give wineyes a chance to catch up with me.
thanks
Edward
-----Original Message-----
From: Jacob Schmude [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: A bit of a rant (was Re: Observations with Window Eyes and Web
Browsing)
Hi
** Warning: Begin a sort of rant **
Unfortunately, the Firefox issues have been in Window-Eyes for years.
Essentially, dynamic content causes the entire page to be refreshed.
Google's edit field causes the page to change as you type in order for it
to
suggest search results, and this triggers window-eyes' page reload
behavior.
We have been promised a fix for this for years and have never gotten it
and,
while I don't know about anyone else, I'm losing my patience with
window-eyes on the web with Firefox in particular, but with IE as well.
Window-Eyes' support for Firefox is a joke. Standard elements such as
onclicks are not identified (most other screen readers call these
clickables), image links are not identified as links, reviewing edited
text
doesn't work, the auto completion and history list in the address bar do
not
work properly (they briefly flash in Braille but never speak), flash
within
Firefox is not accessible, mouseOvers and other dynamic content do not
update the buffer or when they do you are thrown to the top, and I could
go
on. These are things we've been promised fixes for, and what do we get?
New
whiz-bang features with old bugs. Internet Explorer 9 is not much better
(GW, did you even test IE9 at all?). Dynamic pages with hidden elements
are
not properly rendered (the hidden elements are shown when they should not
be, have a look at Gmail or Google Voice's pages for that one), There are
random headings and lists with 0 items inserted everywhere while real
headings are not identified (blindbargains.com for that last), entering
text
in forms somehow fails to allow all typed characters through (I'm a fast
typist). Each and every one of these problems I've listed, the free screen
reader NVDA has overcome (most of these it never exhibited at all). Jaws,
that other screen reader, isn't far behind and Baum's Cobra doesn't have
these troubles either. Quite frankly, given the importance of the
internet,
this is unacceptable and, as a Window-Eyes customer for years, I feel more
than a little cheated. To GW: Don't follow FS down the path of release
release release but don't fix. I don't care if it takes two years for a
new
version, as long as that new version of Window-Eyes works to the best of
your abilities. This is not the best and, if you're going to brag about
your
IE9 support, you'd better make blasted sure it works as advertised. The
7.5
release only had one beta cycle. One. Let's look at this honestly for a
second, no marketing, no pr. What does 7.5 offer over 7.2 that is worth
paying $175 for? A new set file format? Not worth that much. A few new
scripting functions? Again, not worth that. Cascading settings (a nice
feature and long overdue, but worth $175?). A rename of scripts to app
(boy,
that must've taken a lot of effort there). Meanwhile, long standing bugs
go
unfixed, and the web is just one area. I could go on but, these days, I'm
not sure that GW Micro really care. I can't tell off the top of my head
exactly how much I've put into window-eyes over the years since I've owned
it, and I'm now using NVDA instead because it's less buggy and actually
allows me to get real work done. That's just not acceptable QA in my book,
and I can't in good conscience put my hard-earned cash behind a product
with
this many problems. I apologize for the harshness, but I've reported many
of
these within the past several years and have never seen one fix. Perhaps a
little harshness will get my point across a bit better. I leave that up to
you, GW Micro.
** end rant **
I've never seen the IE8 hanging issue but I'm well familiar with the rest
of
the problems you're having. You're not alone.
On 6/12/2011 14:58, Cory Martin wrote: Hello,
Just wanted to report a couple of issues that I've noticed with Window
Eyes with web browsing:
With Internet Explorer version 8:
Firstly there seem to be issues with Google, specifically after doing
a
search, for some reason browse mode doesn't come back on. It can be
enabled
with the usual command, however it's the only site which doesn't seem to
bring browse mode back on after entering a search string.
More difficult to identify however is a strange issue which seems to
affect Internet Explorer where when the browser is first opened it just
hangs, yet opening a second instance of it may work just fine. I've tried
resetting it in the advanced tab under internet options, as well as using
C-Cleaner to remove extra files, as well as clearing personal data. The
issue persists, yet with other screen readers it doesn't seem to happen.
This does not seem to be a problem with Firefox.
With Mozilla Firefox latest version:
I switched to Firefox full time after having the unsolvable hanging
problem with Internet Explorer. However with Firefox, there seems to be
issues with staying in forms for entering text. For example if I'm trying
to enter a word in to Google it keeps dropping me back in to browse mode
every time I press the space bar. I've had to use notepad to type out my
search string and then paste it in to the browser. I'm not sure which is
more annoying.
With either browser:
When trying to arrow arrow around in edit boxes on web pages in both
Internet Explorer or Firefox, Window Eyes just makes a ding sound when
trying to review text entered. It is necessary to drop back in to browse
mode to review what's been entered and then re-enter the edit box and
re-position the cursor to where one wants to correct something based on
best
guess, or by cutting the text to notepad and editing it there.
Does anyone have any experience with these problems to either confirm
or
deny them? Also and more importantly, does anyone know of work-arounds to
these issues?
Thanks,
Cory
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