I hate to ask this but do any other screen readers have this problem.
I thought that someone said that jaws does not have this problem. Is
that true? Just wondering.
-----Original Message-----
From: David [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:05 PM
To: [email protected]; Michael D. Lawler
Subject: Re: mouse keys in we 7.5.1
Michael, and the rest of the staff,
I am not 100% sure, if I agree, when you say there is nothing you can
do about it. Wel,, at least not the way you said it.
First of all, I have tested quite a number of full-sized keyboards,
and never had any problem with them operating properly with WE. Again,
that is the full-sized ones. Now, then, what about the pure numpads.
From what you say, they might have a different set of scancodes. Our
local dealer told me, that even the same brand, would work once, and
not next time. Sounds a bit strange to me, since that would indicate
that the manufacturer randomly put in different processors on their
numpads, but same story never goes on the full-sized keyboards. But
OK, I am not a manufacturer, so have to let that stand as it is.
Then, what about the way WE handles the kind of troublesome keyboards?
Is GW really all that out of luck? Yes, maybe the way things stand
today. Yet, it should be possible for you to make WE capable of
accepting other than the 'strict-standard' scancodes, shouldn't it?
That way, when the user runs into one of these numpads, he could go to
the hotkey manager in WE controlpanel, and simply redefine his
mousekeys to act upon the keystrokes from the numpad. Seems the
problem here is, that WE does not accept any scancodes except from the
narrow standard codeset.
I saw a similar case, when comes to the remote control for the computer.
Opening the Insert-1 feature of WE, and then hitting the 'next-track'
and 'Previous-track' of the RC, did have no response at all from WE.
Again leading me to believe, that WE simply ignores any scancode that
would not happen to be in a rather strict standard set. And, no, dont
tell me the story about other software not acting upon my RC, as it
works perfectly in things like Windows-media-player. Only WE does not
'see' tthe keystrokes from the unit. I still think the same would be
the case with the numpads here in question. The solution would be, for
GW to open up for WE to see whatever scancodes comes from an input
device, and thereby letting the user have a chance of 'hooking on' to
the actually sent codes, from any input device. Thereby, he could even
have used his tiny RC for the computer as a mousepad. Or his gamepad
(joystick), which again WE refuses to 'see'.
Another question that raises itself here, is whether the numpads on
the market really come in all that many flavors. Have you, at GW,
looked into if there would happen to be a 'couple' of standards out
there? In such case, you could have opened up for WE to accept both
the number 1 standard, and the number 2 and 3 as well. Since other
software might accept things like joysticks and remote controls, and
WE does not, I still question the way WE handles the input codes.
Could be of interest here, to put out a question to the list members,
if any of you would happen to have tested one of the troublesome
keypads, with other software like Jaws or the like, and tell us if it
works with them - in case they have a more liberal handling of scancodes.
At least, Michael, I find it a bit short-formed to simply claim there
is nothing you can do about it. Maybe not as WE stands at the moment,
but as I have pointed out, there should be chances that there is a
thing or two to be looked into. When things like WMP does see my RC,
and not WE, I do hold that WE is the problem - not the RC itself. When
a game on my PC, as well as things like the scripting language of
AutoHotKey sees my joystick, and WE does not; again I hold that WE is
narrow-minded. When a long number of numpads are not recognized - and
to me it seems by far the most of them - I do question the way WE
handles scancodes from input devices. GW might likely be far more
advanced than is the case with things like AutoHotKey. When AHK
manages a task, with little difficulty - and you come and tell that
your product does not, and there is simply nothing you can do about
it, I really find that a bit 'creeping out under the fence'. So
please, do back up your statement with something a bit more
waterproof. Why is there nothing to be done about the problem? Why do
some software see codes, and not Window-Eyes?
Thanks,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael D. Lawler" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: mouse keys in we 7.5.1
> The numpads are not sending the correct scan codes when the numlock is
> off. There isn't anything we can do about this. Any application that
> wants to use these keys will fail with these numpads.
>
>
>
> At 10:35 PM 7/2/2011, you wrote:
>>Seems you have run into a well-known bug in Window-Eyes. Don't ask
me why,
>>but out of some reason, Window-Eyes does not recognize all kinds of USB
>>numpads. Strange, since the system does, or you would not have been
able
>>to use the numpad in other applications. But again, Window-Eyes is
PRETTY
>>fuzzy about that kind of stuff. Really something GW should have
addressed,
>>as it has been a bug of WE for years.
>>
>>Best suggestion is, if possible, return your numpad, get a refund;
and try
>>another one. If possible, bring your computer (if you have a laptop)
with
>>you to the local computer store, and test the unit right there,
before you
>>buy anything.
>>
>>And GW, ain't it time, to have Window-Eyes accept input devices that
all
>>the flavors of Windows actually do accept, even without installing
>>anything but native drivers in Windows itself? Why all this fuzzy
hazzle
>>about the numpads?
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rebecca Ilniski"
<[email protected]>
>>To: <[email protected]>
>>Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 3:27 AM
>>Subject: mouse keys in we 7.5.1
>>
>>
>>>hi everyone. I have a windows 7 laptop and we 7.5.1. My laptop didn't
>>>have a numpad on it so I had to order one. I hooked it up but can't
seem
>>>to use any of the mouse functioning keys. I tried to follow along with
>>>the thunderbird 2 podcast where the columns are set up in thunderbird
>>>but as I"m using the numpad none of the mouse keystrokes are not
working.
>>>Are their any settings I need to enable? I know it's not the numpad as
>>>it does work in other applications.
>>>--
>>>Rebecca and Zeb
>>>email: [email protected]
>>>facebook: www.facebook.com/rebeccai5
>>>Zeb's page: www.facebook.com/zeb.ilniski
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