Theere you go GW! Get a couple of computers and put as much crap on them as possible. Half joking and half serious.
-----Original Message----- From: David [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:57 AM To: Gary King; GW-Info Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now Actually, a constructive suggestion, you made there. If GW had a couple of computers, fully loaded with the standard bloats of the manufacturer, maybe there would be chances for them to reproduce some of the problems. Well, unless that is what they already do keep. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary King" <[email protected]> To: "GW-Info" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now > Steve, > Realistically, what percentage of Window-Eyes users who are having > problems with their computers could do what you are suggesting? > Window-Eyes is not running on a Mac. Fresh installation of windows? > No speech! > > My HP desktop didn't even come with any recovery DVDs. I had to > create them with the Recovery Manager. I hope I don't need to use > them, but if I did, I suspect all of the junk would be recovered right > along with Windows. > > Maybe you folks should keep some of that junk around on your computers > so that you could tell us what's causing the problems with Window-Eyes. > > Gary King > [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Clower" <[email protected]> > To: "Sandra Fouts" <[email protected]> > Cc: "'Chris Skarstad'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now > > >> Sandra, >> >> The problem with recommending one brand over another is that new >> computer models come out every few weeks. One make and model of a PC >> which might blow the competition away in terms of stability and >> feature set one day may only last for a few months. After that, the >> next iteration could be a complete disaster. I know I personally have >> switched computer brands depending on varying circumstances at the >> times I needed to replace a machine. One thing which helps the >> majority of the time is to re-image any OEM computer you purchase with a >> fresh, unmodified copy of Windows. >> The other participants in this thread have mentioned the >> pre-installed junk which comes with these machines. Not once have I >> ever seen any benefit from having this cruft around, and often times >> this third-party software will severely impact the machine's >> stability. Completely wiping the hard drive and starting from a fresh >> copy of Windows along with any required hardware drivers will >> drastically improve your overall PC experience. The brand and model >> of our workstations is therefore not relevant as they have all had >> the fresh Windows treatment and work very well for us. >> >> Just some food for thought. >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> On 12/14/2011 10:52 AM, Sandra Fouts wrote: >>> So chris, what Kind do you have. Maybe if GW doesn't wantto tell >>> us exactly what to buy, they could at least share with us the >>> brands they use that they don't have problems with. I know they use >>> to work with Tisheba. I thought about getting that one or a Lynovo. >>> The last time I have a gateway, was on Windows 98 here at work. >>> Since the3n we have had dell here and I have a dell at home. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Skarstad [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:38 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>> >>> Whenever possible i steer clear of HP and even dell computers. You >>> guys would not believe all the crap they put on these machines when >>> you first buy them! popup adds, free offers, 30 day trials of >>> antivirus software that goes so deep in the registry that most >>> people can ever completely uninstall it, it's a mess. My girlfriend >>> got a netbook recently and it took me about 2 and a half hours to >>> get rid of all the free junk they put on it. So let's not blame all >>> the problems on window-eyes. My advice is to take a look at what >>> programs are running and if you notice that wineyes crashes when >>> that program runs, the best solution is to get rid of said program. >>> There's no way on earth i can tell you what it is, but yes, hp is >>> the worst...I've also seen the audio service shut down for no reason. it's >>> nuts. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/14/2011 10:06 AM, Katherine Moss wrote: >>>> HP, yeah, tell me about it. I work with an HP server sometimes, >>>> and it has had it's share of problems including the audio service >>>> tanking for no reason whatsoever. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sandra Fouts [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:53 AM >>>> To: 'Bryan Peterson'; 'Loy'; GW-info >>>> Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>> >>>> I know that Johnye Pryor, who is on this list, was using an HP >>>> and she just went back to a Dell. We use to always have more >>>> problems with speech on HP computers here at work. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Bryan Peterson [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 8:49 AM >>>> To: Sandra Fouts; 'Loy'; GW-info >>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>> >>>> Well mine's a Toshiba and I only rarely have loss of speech problems. >>>> They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa! >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Sandra Fouts"<[email protected]> >>>> To: "'Loy'"<[email protected]>; "GW-info"<[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:17 AM >>>> Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey maybe we should look at this from another angle. For those >>>> that are having the most problems what brand is the computer giving the >>>> most >>>> problems. For example, isit HP, Dell, or what? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Loy [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:22 PM >>>> To: GW-info >>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>> >>>> I have to agree here,I am running WE 7.5.2 on three computers and >>>> are not having any of the problems. One is a Dell XP, one a Compaq >>>> XP and a Gateway laptop with Win 7. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "douglas rudolph"<[email protected]> >>>> To: "Chip Orange"<[email protected]> Cc:<[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:13 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>> >>>> >>>> yes, i would agree, i think it has more to do witht he machine then >>>> with win eyes, i am running iwn eyes 7.0 on a dell xps xp desktop >>>> machine, no problem, and 7.5.1, and 7.5 on a toshiba techra laptop, >>>> and hp persario, and have absolutley no problems with the >>>> functionality of win eyes. i would lean toward a potential restore >>>> of your machines, or, maybe its got a hidden virus which i have had before. >>>> This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, >>>> relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly >>>> prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, >>>> and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended >>>> recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and >>>> notify sender. >>>> Douglas Rudolph >>>> Tel: 1306-565-2056 >>>> Cell: 1306-450-0153 >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> direct to my cel: [email protected] >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chip Orange"<[email protected]> >>>> To: "'Baracco, Andrew >>>> W'"<[email protected]>;<[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:14 PM >>>> Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>> >>>> >>>>> Andy, >>>>> >>>>> why do you think so few people seem to feel the way you do? Do >>>>> you think it possibly could be something on your pc? I'd say most >>>>> of the rest of us feel it's as stable as it ever was, and the >>>>> benefits of the scripting is just enormous. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chip >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Baracco, Andrew W [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:42 PM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: RE: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>>>> >>>>>> WE has become so unstable on the two machines that I have access >>>>>> to that I have pretty much stopped using it. I just don't have >>>>>> the time to keep rebooting and to jump through all the hoops, >>>>>> etc. Two weeks ago I had an HD crash on this machine, and I >>>>>> haven't yet bothered to reinstall WE on it. Perhaps I'll revisit >>>>>> it when a major upgrade comes around. Personally, I think the >>>>>> problems began with WE version 7.0 and the scripting capability. >>>>>> What we gained from the scripts, or apps, as they're now called, >>>>>> we lost in stability. WE can no longer lay claim to being rock >>>>>> solid. >>>>>> Now, it's as flaky as a teen age girl. >>>>>> >>>>>> Andy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Tony_C [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 10:23 AM >>>>>> To: Chris Skarstad; [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I've already removed and reinstalled it two times. >>>>>> T >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Chris Skarstad >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:10 AM >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: Window eyes is totally screwed up now >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi. It sounds like an uninstall and a re-install might be in >>>>>> order for you. WE is a great screen-reader but trust me, it's a >>>>>> walk in the park compared to what I had to go through when I was >>>>>> using the others...especially jfw. don't even get me started >>>>>> LOL! either way, that's really my best suggestion. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/13/2011 9:35 AM, Tony_C wrote: >>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>> Well since the release of 7.5.2 things are worse than ever. >>>>>> I open an >>>>>>> email and W E just sits there and reads nothing. There is still >>>>>>> a problem with trying to edit a message that I'm composing in >>>>>> WLM. Also, >>>>>>> now if I'm on a webpage and hit enter on an email link when >>>>>> the blank >>>>>>> message comes up W E sees the To field as being empty.. >>>>>> However I did >>>>>>> verify through a sighted person that indeed the address was >>>>>> in the To >>>>>>> field just that W E wouldn't read it. Now there is still >>>>>> the problem >>>>>>> with spell check in word, which doesn't make sense because with >>>>>>> JFW and Nvda it works just fine. Why do we using W E have to do >>>>>> all these >>>>>>> key strokes to use spell check when it has always been as simple >>>>>>> as tabbing once to the list of suggestions and arrowing to the >>>>>>> one of your choice and hitting enter. It still works that way >>>>>>> with >>>>>> the other two screen readers. >>>>>>> I've been a faitful W E user since 2003 and have recommended it >>>>>>> to many people. However now Im afraid that I can no longer do >>>>>> so because >>>>>>> of the frustration that it causes. Unless some real fixes >>>>>> take place >>>>>>> This will be the last version iof W E that I will be using. >>>>>> It may be >>>>>>> $300 cheaper that it's major competitor but lack of ability >>>>>> to use it >>>>>>> in an efficent manner out-weighs the cost. >>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the >>>>>>> original sender only. If your reply would benefit others on the >>>>>>> list >>>>>> and your >>>>>>> message is related to GW Micro, then please consider sending >>>>>>> your message to [email protected] so the entire list will receive it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> GW-Info messages are archived at http://www.gwmicro.com/gwinfo. >>>>>>> You can manage your list subscription at >>>>>> http://www.gwmicro.com/listserv. >>>>>> If you reply to this message it will be delivered to the original >>>>>> sender only. 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