I amn sure, we all agree apps are most helpful. And, those of you who have
not yet started out using the apps available, definitely should go get
yourself a couple.
And, of course, it is nice to dream of new apps coming around. At least,
this far, the discussion has brought out quite a good amount of possible app
projects. I am sure, many of us would have loved to see things like a
captcha solver, some OCR features, far better support for JAVA products, and
a good deal more.
Being a developer myself, and right now in the middle of developing the
Extended Dictionary app that many have wished for - well, yes, I know how
many hours, days and weeks are behind a good and stabil app. So, seen from
that side of the counter - I surely do understand the idea of getting paid
what you work. If now, I turn around, and become the "normal" user though -
well, the things shift a bit.
First of all, I tend to agree with one of the others here, who expressed the
feeling that many things should have been sorted out directly in the Screen
Reader itself. Yep, I know, apps gives us far more flexibility, and in many
cases makes the Screen Reader much more effective. Still, sometimes you get
the feeling it is all like as if you had gone and bought yourself a car.
Then, when you enter it, you realize the seat belts are missing, there is no
windows (only open holes), and so forth. And the dealer tells you, you just
can invent these accessories yourself - or asks you what you would be
willing to pay extra. :)
And there is one more aspect to the whole thing. We have to keep in mind,
that many blind people out there, are unemployed, live in parts of the world
with far lower income than the richer parts, and they might not have ANY
chance of support from authorities or cherity organizations. In short, they
have already spent quite an - for them - enormous sum on even getting a
computer and a screen reader. Sure, we could have said, that certain apps
should be free. But which should be free, and which should be charged? What
if a person, for instance, had to pay for the VoiceRotor app, and he did not
have all the money for it? Ain't we going to make a high/low class devision
between the users?
You might name me paranoid, but I have been in the asistive technology
business for a few decades, and seen too many times how certain people love
to rip you off, just because they know you would need their product. Be it
so, if you are a profesional musician, and you buy things like Sonar. You
might be willing to pay for someone to develop an app, that will make it far
more accessible for you. First of all, you know that getting such an app,
most likely will make you far more effective. And effectiveness, does mean
your job is done quicker - hence more money in your pocket.
On my computer right now, there is something like 20 apps installed, that I
rely on in my daily activity. Additionally, there would be another 10 apps
or so, that I use more rarely. If now, I had to pay - say, 10 dollars - for
each of these apps, I would be looking into several hundreds. And that, is
on top of the 1000 that was paid for the screen reader first hand.
My guess is, that most of the app developers here, has ONE big illusion: To
See As Many As Possible Using Their Products. Well, asking a small fee,
might not blow the whole business. Yet, I am not sure if I would have picked
up all the apps currently running here, if I had to pay a chunk of money.
Not because they are not worht the money, but because when you have to pay,
you also have to be quite selective as to what you pay for. And, how would I
know? Unless we would start getting a ton of "partially working
demo-versions" of the some two hundred apps found on app central.
Allright, having all this said, I do see there could be certain projects
that would be worth some dollars. Big question is what the term "some
dollars" mean. Smile. Reasonably charged, I guess things like OCR and
Captcha functionality could be in that category. Still, there is things I'd
like far better to see done. Things like a browser feature that would let me
complete my activity - without fifteen close and reopen or even restarts of
my computer.
I don't know, what made this topic come up, except from the mail Jeremy
dropped earlier today. But if the meaning of it is, that GW considers
opening up for a "pay me for my app" feature on app central, I'd leave you a
far better idea. How about having a feature similar to the one you find on a
number of other "freeware" pages. This small link, that informs you, that
you are welcome to make a donation, and would you please click here and be
taken to Paypal or the like. That way, we would still be able to provide the
community with high-quality apps, that everyone could afford - since they
are free. And, those who really appreciate the hard work behind the scene,
would be able to drop the developers a dollar or two. Should serve all parts
the better. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Curry" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 9:35 PM
Subject: RE: My Dream App for Window-Eyes to be
Hi Christo,
I should have specifically mentioned that these would be apps that do not
yet exist, or they could be based on a concept that is in existence. If you
can make a list of the apps from Jamal you like and others that may not yet
exist, that would be most helpful.
Thanks,
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: Christo de Klerk [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 3:30 PM
To: Butch Bussen
Cc: Jeremy Curry; [email protected]
Subject: Re: My Dream App for Window-Eyes to be
Jamal's DBDialog app is an excellent database app in my opinion. I use it on
a daily basis. That is an app for which I would gladly pay. Some of Jamal's
other apps, too, which go way beyond what would be expected of a screen
reader, are worth money. Apps which simply improve accessibility I would be
less inclined to pay for, as I would expect a screen reader to look after
that kind of thing, but when an app introduces some additional
functionality, I would be likely to pay for it. A few other apps which I
find essential, are WordAccent, because we use many accents in our local
languages here in South Africa; VoiceRotor is also a magic app; VirtualView
is indispensable at times; HotSpot is one of the very best. It is only
limited by your imagination. That thing contains so much untapped power.
Then, if you do app development, there are a host of apps which are simply
essential.
Kind regards
Christo
On 2012/04/27 8:22 PM, Butch Bussen wrote:
How about a good data base program like filetalk. Anyone remember that
one? Q and A works reasonably well, but it has to run in dos.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.
On Fri, 27 Apr 2012, Jeremy Curry wrote:
It was a nice discussion, but let's get back on topic about your
dream app.
If you want to complain about Congress, feel free to email each other
privately. <smile> The topic for this thread is if you could pay for
a Window-Eyes app, what would it be? Or, even perhaps an accessible
stand-alone app like GWConnect that you could pay for, what would it be?
Thanks in advance for staying on topic in future posts!
Jeremy
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert C [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 1:43 PM
To: Bill Scherer
Cc: Window-Eyes discussion list
Subject: Re: My Dream App for Window-Eyes to be
Actually, it is on topic for so many members are constantly dealing
with inaccessibility issues when using Window Eyes. And many expect
GW Micro to wave the magic wand and make it all go away. Will not
happen, cannot happen.
Quote of the nanosecond...
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starts to wear out, fall out, or spread out.
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On 4/27/2012 10:36 AM, Bill Scherer wrote:
Well I agree. Accessibility has to be legislated or it will never
happen completely, or to at least as far as it can.
I never used to think that way, but over the last couple years I've
seen that it's really going to have to happen.
But this is not really a topic for this list.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C"
<[email protected]>
To: "Pat Ferguson" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Dennis long" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: My Dream App for Window-Eyes to be
Why not pressure Congress to set the standards? No one seems to
find this approach sensible since such standards would then be
across the board. As it is, everyone wants a patchwork solution to
accessibility.
It will never work and people will be forever complaining... or
dreaming of that day that will never come,
Quote of the nanosecond...
Back off!! You're standing in my aura.
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On 4/27/2012 8:31 AM, Pat Ferguson wrote:
Well, I guess it's high time Microsoft makes Windows Seven for
Mobile Phones accessible, so that GW Micro could make a mobile
phone App that would allow every Mobile phone for Windows to be
accessible.
I think every app no matter what it is for, should be accessible.
This has been a bother-some thing for me for years, ever since we
first got into this business, and it will still bother me until
every piece of software is accessible with Window-Eyes. <smile>
Why can't someone start an organization that would require, and
make it a mandate law that every program is accessible with
Window-Eyes and all screen readers.
I know that probably will never happen, but I can dream, can't I?
<smile>
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I would certainly be willing to
pay for such an app. <smile>
Pat Ferguson
At 10:16 AM 4/27/2012, you wrote:
That is not an option do to the lack of accessability with win 7
phones. However android would be nice.
Dennis long
Sent from my n95 using a symbion screen reader
-original message-
Subject: My Dream App for Window-Eyes to be
From: Pat Ferguson <[email protected]>
Date: 04/27/2012 11:12 AM
My dream App for Window-Eyes would be to have Window-Eyes work on
every cell phone that is Windows Based.
I have wanted this for years.
This way, we wouldn't be limited to Mobile Speak or Talks, or
iPhones.
I want to see Window-Eyes on every mobile phone.
Thanks.
Pat Ferguson
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[email protected]>Jeremy Curry
To: <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 10:07 AM
Subject: What is your dream app?
While we are still hard at work on the next major version of
Window-Eyes, we want to know  if you could pay for a
Window-Eyes app, what app would it be? I know some of you have
answered this question on Facebook and Twitter already, but we
would really like to hear your thoughts.
Let the brainstorming begin! <smile>
Jeremy
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