Does internet explorer work any better for you? This is a firefox bug which they have not fixed as far as I understand.
David <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry to say, but yes, and a clear yes. Even yesterday, I was unable > to operate some site on the web, due to WE all the sudden locking > itself up. No, it did not hang, I could switch to other windows and it > would talk, but in Firefox WE did go to sleep. Loading NVDA, I at > least was able to perform a couple of operations, and then closing > down Firefox. > > See more and more cases, when NVDA is the rescue for getting things > completed, when working on the net. WE locks itself up, for no real > reason, but NVDA works steadily over-all better. Furthermore, I have > seen tons of cases recently, where WE keeps refreshing the web > page. That is even with the NoScript add-on for Firefox. It fially > becomes so troublesome, that you close down WE, and load NVDA. Note, > you do not close anything other than the screen reader. You now can > get things done, by help of NVDA. Now, you could have thought it was > just WE going tired, and that two minutes rest for the screen reader > would do the trick. Well, try to close down NVDA, then reload WE, and > things go back to trouble. The page keeps refreshing, your cursor > jumps around, and all that stuff - or the whole system simply locks, > and only a hard-start will work. > > Then, you could think that some sort of app would be the hazzle. First > thing you try, is to turn off the Enhancement apps, like IE-Enhance, > to see if that fixes things. Generally, NOPE. Then, you decide to turn > off all apps, and let the screen reader work for a while. Only to find > yourself hurled into trouble in a little. You then get frustrated and > unload the whole WE screen reader, load NVDA, and with the risk of > sounding negative - find yourself able to finalize the web job in > something like 90 percent of the time. > > First thing AISquare need to fix, is the constant buffer reload. If > they cannot fix it, leave us a hotkey for turning off the reloading, > so we can lock the buffer at a given state. How NVDA has fixed things, > I am not sure, but they surely seem to have managed. Second thing that > would need attention, is to have the Flash-function work in both > browsers. In internet explorer, you sometimes can save yourself a bit > of frustration, by hitting Alt-Shift-M, till you have turned off > flash-mode. Honestly, I am not sure, if I ever have seen any benefit > of it turned on, but that could just be me. So, personally, I have > turned it off, and save the setting. But it does not work under > Firefox, for some reason.And, thirdly, they need to get the > mouse-functionality back, in Internet Explorer. Some sites, simply > cannot work properly under Firefox, and they still need mouse > interaction. Finally, they need to recognize the different controls on > a site, as actual controls and not just plain text. > > Well, seems we could do with an upgrade. Smile. Question is, if this > is just a strict browse-mode issue, or something deeper in the core of > the screen reader, which just happens to poke its nose out under > Browse-mode. Lets just hope, that they are going to further develop > WE, and that the new ownership combined with the "free" version of WE > for Office users, are not another way of preparing the market for a > turn-down. No, I am not trying to be negative, but unfortunately have > seen a few other companies doing similar maneuvering - only to find > that their products got in the background in the new > partnerships. And, a few years later, noone ever seem to remember the > product. > > With so much infiltration of other partners, maybe WE is no longer > free to go where it wants to, and needs to. And without having tried > anything else but NVDA, lately, I may be wrong - but it sure seems to > me that Window-Eyes is loosing out in the market. For one thing, due > to the frequent trouble in operating the web, which becomes a steadily > growing part of everyones daily living. Things that you could do just > fine on a local computer, or via an e-mail, can no longer be done > without operating some sort of websites. More and more badly > constructed sites dawn on the net, causing WE to go for vacations all > the time. Nope, this is not anything that GW, or AISquare, can do much > about, other than follow up on the changes. They have done so, in the > past, by awaiting a "good" time to release some kind of fixes. For > instance, a few years ago, there was a face-lift to the browse > mode. For the most part, it was a beneficial one, and we got a few new > features built-in, like the place marker feature, and we lately also > saw the form interaction feature which met a number of > user-requests. So, by all means, they have done some updating, and I > for one, do appreciate that. Still, the net is so rapidly changing, > that browse mode cannot just have a face-lift every second or third > year. Likely, they should have released things more frequently, and > got out fixes more like one by one, instead of updating once in a > while, with a number of fixes. One thing they could do, is to rebuilt > the core of the screen reader, so that it could take patch-fixes. Just > like the Windows OS itself. See how often Microsoft pushes out > updtates to your Windows, even to the browser; then compare it all > with how often the screen reader gets things updated. True, they do > update their apps more or less frequently, but the screen reader has > been built the way - far as I can understand some of the messages from > the staff - that not everything can be handled through apps. So, they > may need to push out new updates more frequently, and far more > simultaneously around the globe. If there is the need for a fix in the > USA, likely the same fix is needed in China, Australia, Europe and on > the AntArtcitica. They all access the same net, the same websites, > uses the same Office, and so forth. Sorry, but on a few of these > poins, wE has dragged itself more in the background later years. The > big benefit of the screen reader, that still keeps it up front of > others, is the capability of running third-party apps, of which we > have a number really good and stabil ones. Unfortunately, that may not > be enough, all the time the user gets frustrated by not being able to > finish his job on the websites he is working with. > > Again, my intention was NOT to sound negative, but merely to point out > some of the facts of a real-life experience with Window-Eyes compared > with NVDA. NO, NVDA is by far not an equivalent to Window-Eyes, so the > comparison may seem a bit out of scope to someone. Still, if NVDA has > managed to work more stabil on the net, maybe there is things that > AISquare needs to focus on. People do not need whistle and bells, they > need stability. As a funny side-note here, could I just mention, that > locally here the electronic stores report that now aday, three out of > five sold cellphones are no longer smartphones. People want their > keyboard back, and a phone that can do just the basics - ring and send > text messages. They are sick and tired of all the extra blah-blah-blah > on the smartphones. OK, I don't want to start a discussion of > cellphones on the market, but it just underlines the needs and want of > many a user. Also the assistive technology, may want to concentrate > more on stability, than on numerous fancy-looking ways of presenting > themselves. > y > > David > > On 7/14/2014 8:38 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > So does any other screen reader do better at the current moment? nvda? > > > > Vaughan Dodd <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Donald: your truly reliable solution request, which I think is reasonable, > >> is to hope that AI Squared are close to releasing a new Window-eyes. > >> > >> Yesterday was almost the last straw for me, as Forms Mode failed across > >> three sites, using Internet Explorer and Firefox. > >> > >> We have not had any progress with respect to making Browse Mode more > >> stable since last December. I am not even certain that any developments > >> of significance actually occurred, but v8.4 is more stable than its > >> predecessors in the version eight series. > >> > >> The elements which make up modern web pages appear now to be so numerous, > >> and the interactions so complex, that where once window-eyes was the > >> leader in web accessibility it has seemingly fallen out of the race. > >> > >> Vaughan. > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Donald L. Roberts [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Monday, 14 July 2014 9:53 a.m. > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Browse mode frustrations > >> > >> Regardless of whether I use Firefox or Internet Explorer, I find it > >> extremely frustrating to navigate some web pages when W E 8.4 is > >> constantly turning Browse mode on and off, despite the fact that I have > >> turned auto load off. 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