Sam,
Browse mode is still browse mode...the difference is we don't have a
static buffer. But in or out, it is still the same as it was. With 8.4
we would go to our static buffer to get the line or word or whatever.
With 9.0 we go directly to the browser to build it on demand...but
again, whether you are in or out of browse mode is exactly the same...no
difference. So don't over complicate this.
Doug
On 11/24/2014 8:16 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:
I am not new to we I have been using GW vocaleyes and we since the
vocal eyes days.
Yes It’s similar but, since you are no longer in a browser buffer it’s
not easy to tell if you are in browse mode or not.
Sam
*From:*Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 6:03 PM
*To:* [email protected]; [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: betabugs
Sam,
Outlook is a bit different... Outlook on its own only allows you to
create and read emails using Microsoft Word. They give you the
ability while reading an email to send it to IE and read it using IE
instead of Word but normally you are just using Word. Word is great
but with complicated html emails it can be difficult to read it. So
we created an app called Outlook Enhance. One of the features of this
app is to cause any email you are reading (not creating, but reading)
to automatically be virtualized using IE without actually running in
IE itself. So this means you are in browse mode to read it and can
easily read the most complicated html email with ease. When you go
into an application such as IE or Firefox or a virtualized email in
Outlook you are thrown into browse mode by default, typically...there
are ways this would be disabled, for example if you go to google.com
focus is in an edit and it wouldn't be nice if you were in browse mode
because you wouldn't be able to type in the edit so browse mode is
disabled by default, but even this can be disable (lot of
flexibility). But normally you are in browse mode and you are
correct, you don't hear the tones or the words "browse on" because
this is expected normal behavior.
As for not being able to go back into browse mode, my only explanation
is focus wasn't on the email any longer...browse mode is only allowed
in windows which are using IE or Firefox to render the information.
But again, this is all exactly as it was with Window-Eyes 8.x. 9.0
beta 1 has not change how any of this behaves (regarding if you are in
browse mode or when you go out, etc.). So are you saying this is more
complicated than it was? I'm not following how any of this is
different unless you are brand new to using Window-Eyes.
Doug
On 11/24/2014 7:44 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Hi Doug,
Let’s take this for example:
When in outlook reading an email … like the one you just sent me.
I use to be in a browse buffer … that is no more in the beta right?
So, I am reading your message and I don’t know if I am in the
browse mode or not.
So, I press ctrl-alt-a and it says browse mode off … great that
way I can say yes I was in browse mode.
But, then when I try to press ctrl-alt a again to turn it back on
it says browse mode is not available.
Any way to turn it back on?
I also press enter to load the message and don’t get the speech
and or the tones to let me know I have entered browse mode.
So, either I am in browse mode at the list of messages and or it’s
not notifying me that I have entered browse mode when I am in a
message.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Sam
*From:*Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 5:40 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: betabugs
Sam,
This has not changed from the past...how did you know with
Window-Eyes 8.4? There is a tone and/or speech that tells you if
you are in or out of browse mode. Meaning if you go in you can
hear a tone and or "browse on". If it turns off you'll hear a
different tone and/or "browse off". Obviously browse mode is only
available for certain applications...so if you are in Microsoft
Word you know browse mode isn't even available so therefor it is off.
You can also just toggle browse mode by pressing control-shift-A.
Or you can press the speak summary hotkey (control-shift-s). If
you hear "25 links, 5 headings, blah" you are in browse mode.
Doug
On 11/24/2014 7:32 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Got it, thank you sir,
Last question:
How do we know when we are and are not in browse mode?
Thanks,
Sam
*From:*Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 5:31 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: betabugs
While in browse mode f8 is the only way. Outside of browse
mode you can do whatever you were previously able to do.
Doug
On 11/24/2014 7:25 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Understood, so does the shift/arrow keys work in other
places or is f8 now the only way to select text?
Sam
*From:*Doug Geoffray [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 5:23 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: betabugs
Sam,
Currently f8 is the only way to select data while in
browse mode. Simply move to the beginning of the data you
want and press f8. Move to the other end of the data and
hit f8 again followed by enter. Everything in between
your points will be copied into the clipboard.
Doug
On 11/24/2014 7:02 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:
For me it’s much faster and much better response so far.
But, when you use the normal way to highlight text
shift arrows it doesn’t seem to work.
Sam
*From:*Rob Hudson [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Monday, November 24, 2014 4:56 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* betabugs
So far, the beta is much slower than 8.4 was
. Every link in firefox reports as visited
Mouse still does not work in Firefox.
The wineyes find command took about three seconds to
activate.
Down arrowing through a web page gives about a second
delay between pressing the key and reading the text.
That's just initial impressions so far.
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