Hi all and Aaron, I know what your saying there, to have all those MSAA propertys methods and events at your finger tips and to find they are not implemented is quite francly annoying particularly when working on menu/ribbon structures, but at least microsoft try to use their own programming interface. The amount of programmers whom put MSAA in to a relativly simple structure and ignore the bigger picture wines me up. Classic example, meta products Offline explorer Pro, I can get all most anything I want from the Treeview structure where the download templates are displayed where it's not really needed using MSAA, But absolutely nothing from the ribbon/menu structure where it's needed, as you quite rightly said, "The MSAA tree is all most empty", and the two or three events that do exist are not useful. You have no chance usually in a £30 application of ever seeing MSAA being implemented at all. Even in expensive applications, where people should know better I find MSAA is just not there, and adobe are the worst, take their flash updater, we are still getting buttons that vaugely speak and token gestures to make an installer talk, rubbish. they just don't care or theyare crap programmers. s. Sorry people if this is sounding like a rant, it's something I feel very strongly about. Warm regards. Martin Webster. I.T. team leader for KVIN.
--- On Thu, 8/9/12, Aaron Smith <[email protected]> wrote: From: Aaron Smith <[email protected]> Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR applications To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012, 1:01 PM Hi, Martin. Even Microsoft isn't without blame. There lots of places where they don't get UIA/MSAA right. The technology to create accessible applications exists, even in Adobe AIR. Unfortunately, those accessibility options are either not something that gets enabled by default, or are completely overlooked by developers. It's very frustrating to know that the solutions exist to these kinds of problems, but to not be able to do anything about it. Aaron On 8/9/2012 3:20 AM, martin webster wrote: Hi all, "Unfortunately not. The UIA tree is all but empty in the application window. This is a very poorly written interface." You do surprise me! Aaron! smile. In my limited experience with MSAA Microsoft seem to be the only people whom can implement MSAA correctly. Warm regards. Martin Webster. I.T. team leader for KVIN. --- On Wed, 8/8/12, Cory Samaha <[email protected]> wrote: From: Cory Samaha <[email protected]> Subject: RE: scripting Adobe AIR applications To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 9:06 PM Ah *sigh*. Thanks a lot though. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Smith [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR applications Unfortunately not. The UIA tree is all but empty in the application window. This is a very poorly written interface. Aaron On 8/8/2012 12:23 PM, Cory Samaha wrote: > Aaron, > > Thanks for checking into it anyway. Do you think, like Doug > mentioned, that this could be scriptable if we could manipulate UIA through WE scripting? > Or, is this amazon program a lost cause? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:01 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR applications > > That's a bummer. Nice use of the scripting tools, though. > > Aaron > > On 8/7/2012 5:15 PM, Cory Samaha wrote: >> Yeah, I was able to get it installed using immed actually. I just >> found the accessible object which needed to be activated and did >> DoDefaultAction on it. But once it is installed, I just don't see >> any MSAA event information coming through, nor do I see any >> accessible objects > to work with either. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Aaron Smith [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 5:05 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR applications >> >> The UIA to MSAA bridge makes the Adobe AIR installer scriptable. In >> fact, Window-Eyes would just read it out of the box were we more open >> to who we support MSAA in. I don't know about the rest of the Amazon >> program. I do see that there's very little keyboard support to begin >> with, even without a screen reader involved. >> >> Aaron >> >> On 8/7/2012 4:24 PM, Doug Lee wrote: >>> My understanding is that AIR's accessibility is UIA-based, and the >>> MSAA support provided for UIA controls is both limited and somewhat >>> non-standard in my experience, which means screen readers that rely >>> only on MSAA will struggle in these cases. I don't remember if WE >>> includes any direct UIA access features for scripters, though I'm >>> sure there are those on this list with very concrete answers to that >>> question. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 03:36:13PM -0400, Cory Samaha wrote: >>> It seems to be short on MSAA events (I tried running WeEvent). Of >>> course, I could be missing something. The direct URL for the >>> importer > is: >>> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/G/01/digital/music/up >>> l o ader/a >>> pp/win/AmazonMusicImporterInstaller-2.0.0._V392838521_.exe >>> >>> I'm not sure if that URL is session specific; I don't think it is. >>> If that doesn't work, go to >>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/mp3/player >>> and login to amazon. Once there, click import music. When you >>> click import music, there is an in page dialog which comes up >>> allowing you to download the importer, but WE does not read this >>> automatically. A lot of mouse nav action has to be done to even get >>> this thing downloaded. The only way I was able to get the direct >>> URL to the importer which I gave above is because I reviewed the >>> source of this > page. >>> Cory >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Aaron Smith [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 2:48 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR applications >>> >>> There may be some MSAA event/window information you could use. Where >>> does one find this program? >>> >>> Aaron >>> >>> On 8/7/2012 2:15 PM, Cory Samaha wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> As much as I don't care for some of the recent products from adobe, >>>> there are some programs which would be nice to have access to which >>>> use the Adobe AIR runtime. One that recently comes to mind is the >>>> Amazon music importer, which is similar to iTunes music match I >>>> believe in the sense that it searches your computer and will match >>>> music files on your hard drive with music from the Amazon mp3 catalog. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I was wondering if Adobe AIR has an accessible framework of >>>> any kind? I was thinking maybe it would be possible to get some of >>>> the programs to speak with WE, similar to the WE4Java project. I >>>> don't know much about the Adobe AIR API, so before I waste time, I >>>> was wondering if anyone else has already explored this area before. >>>> >>>> If I am not mistaken, other screen readers such as NVDA tout >>>> support for Adobe AIR. I loaded the above mentioned amazon music >>>> importer with NVDA and couldn't get anything to speak. I'm not >>>> sure if that's a problem with AIR or poor design on Amazon's part. >>>> If a project could be done to get WE to work with AIR though, that >>>> would be > cool. >>>> Any >>> thoughts? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Cory >>> -- >>> Aaron Smith >>> Web Development * App Development * Product Support Specialist GW >>> Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort Wayne, IN 46825 >>> 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com >>> >>> To insure that you receive proper support, please include all past >>> correspondence (where applicable), and any relevant information >>> pertinent to your situation when submitting a problem report to the >>> GW Micro Technical Support Team. >>> >>> >> -- >> Aaron Smith >> Web Development * App Development * Product Support Specialist GW >> Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort Wayne, IN 46825 >> 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com >> >> To insure that you receive proper support, please include all past >> correspondence (where applicable), and any relevant information >> pertinent to your situation when submitting a problem report to the >> GW Micro Technical Support Team. >> > -- > Aaron Smith > Web Development * App Development * Product Support Specialist GW > Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort Wayne, IN 46825 > 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com > > To insure that you receive proper support, please include all past > correspondence (where applicable), and any relevant information > pertinent to your situation when submitting a problem report to the GW > Micro Technical Support Team. > -- Aaron Smith Web Development * App Development * Product Support Specialist GW Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort Wayne, IN 46825 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com To insure that you receive proper support, please include all past correspondence (where applicable), and any relevant information pertinent to your situation when submitting a problem report to the GW Micro Technical Support Team. -- Aaron Smith Web Development * App Development * Product Support Specialist GW Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort Wayne, IN 46825 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com To insure that you receive proper support, please include all past correspondence (where applicable), and any relevant information pertinent to your situation when submitting a problem report to the GW Micro Technical Support Team.
