Hi Martin, No, FoxPro was a D-Base like relational database system, programmed in the generic "x-base" language. It has a visual studio" like project development environment, and can produce .exe solutions for Windows; it's what we use even now through-out our enterprise, however, my working with it is problematic and full of work-arounds or requesting sighted help.
Chip > -----Original Message----- > From: martin webster [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:50 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: scripting Adobe AIR applications > > Hi, > voxpro was used for specialist situations, and there are other workable > solutions now that can do what voxpro can do - that do work with a screen > reader. I knew of it 16 years ago, it was used for programming gaming > machines and used for programming cash registers remotely. No doubt it > had other situations in which it was or could be useful, these were the two > areas I knew it was used in the UK. There far better solutions to these > problems nowadays and it was probably over kill for what it was actually > doing apart when it came to the gaming machines, and if your writing games > your writing games and you are or should be a serious programmer. > Warm regards. > Martin Webster. > I.T. team leader for KVIN. > > --- On Sun, 8/19/12, Chip Orange <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Chip Orange <[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: scripting Adobe AIR applications > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Sunday, August 19, 2012, 8:04 PM > > As Aaron said though, Microsoft's > > record is spotty at best; their Visual > > Foxpro (no longer sold I believe) was a very complex > > development > > environment, so it cost a lot, has been around for about 20 > > years, and they > > never took the time to make it accessible! :( > > > > Chip > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: martin webster [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 2:29 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR applications > > > > > > Hi all and Aaron, > > > I know what your saying there, to have all those MSAA > > propertys methods > > > and events at your finger tips and to find they are not > > implemented is > > quite > > > francly annoying particularly when working on > > menu/ribbon structures, but > > > at least microsoft try to use their own programming > > interface. The amount > > > of programmers whom put MSAA in to a relativly simple > > structure and > > > ignore the bigger picture wines me up. Classic example, > > meta products > > > Offline explorer Pro, I can get all most anything I > > want from the Treeview > > > structure where the download templates are > > displayed where it's not > > really > > > needed using MSAA, But absolutely nothing from the > > ribbon/menu > > > structure where it's needed, as you quite rightly said, > > "The MSAA tree is > > all > > > most empty", and the two or three events that do exist > > are not useful. You > > > have no > > > chance usually in a £30 application of ever > > seeing MSAA being > > > implemented at all. Even in expensive applications, > > where people should > > > know better I find MSAA is just not there, and adobe > > are the worst, take > > > their flash updater, we are still getting buttons that > > vaugely speak and > > > token gestures to make an installer talk, rubbish. they > > just don't care or > > > theyare crap programmers. s. Sorry people if this is > > sounding like a rant, > > it's > > > something I feel very strongly about. > > > Warm regards. > > > Martin Webster. > > > I.T. team leader for KVIN. > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/9/12, Aaron Smith <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > From: Aaron Smith <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR applications > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Thursday, August 9, 2012, 1:01 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Martin. > > > > > > > > > > > > Even Microsoft isn't without > > blame. There lots of places where they > > > don't get UIA/MSAA right. The > > technology to create accessible > > > applications exists, even in > > Adobe AIR. Unfortunately, those > > > accessibility options are > > either not something that gets enabled by > > > default, or are completely > > overlooked by developers. It's very > > > frustrating to know that the > > solutions exist to these kinds of > > > problems, but to not be able to > > do anything about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/9/2012 3:20 AM, martin > > webster > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > all, > > > > > > > > "Unfortunately not. The UIA tree is all > > but empty in the > > > > > application window. > > > > > > > > This is a very poorly written interface." > > > > > > > > You do surprise me! Aaron! smile. In my > > limited experience > > > > > with MSAA Microsoft seem to be the only > > people whom can > > > > > implement MSAA correctly. > > > > > > > > Warm regards. > > > > > > > > Martin Webster. > > > > > > > > I.T. team leader for KVIN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 8/8/12, Cory Samaha <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Cory Samaha <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: scripting Adobe AIR > > applications > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2012, 9:06 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah *sigh*. Thanks a lot though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Aaron Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 12:55 PM > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR > > applications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately not. The UIA tree is all but > > empty in > > > > > the application window. > > > > > > > > This is a very poorly written interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/8/2012 12:23 PM, Cory Samaha wrote: > > > > > > > > > Aaron, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for checking into it anyway. > > Do you > > > > > think, like Doug > > > > > > > > > mentioned, that this could be > > scriptable if we > > > > > could manipulate UIA > > > > > > > > through WE scripting? > > > > > > > > > Or, is this amazon program a lost > > cause? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Aaron Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 8:01 > > AM > > > > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR > > applications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's a bummer. Nice use of the > > scripting tools, > > > > > though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/7/2012 5:15 PM, Cory Samaha > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Yeah, I was able to get it > > installed using > > > > > immed actually. I just > > > > > > > > >> found the accessible object which > > needed to > > > > > be activated and did > > > > > > > > >> DoDefaultAction on it. But once > > it is > > > > > installed, I just don't see > > > > > > > > >> any MSAA event information coming > > through, > > > > > nor do I see any > > > > > > > > >> accessible objects > > > > > > > > > to work with either. > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > >> From: Aaron Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 > > 5:05 PM > > > > > > > > >> To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > >> Subject: Re: scripting Adobe AIR > > applications > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> The UIA to MSAA bridge makes the > > Adobe AIR > > > > > installer scriptable. In > > > > > > > > >> fact, Window-Eyes would just read > > it out of > > > > > the box were we more open > > > > > > > > >> to who we support MSAA in. I > > don't know about > > > > > the rest of the Amazon > > > > > > > > >> program. I do see that there's > > very little > > > > > keyboard support to begin > > > > > > > > >> with, even without a screen > > reader involved. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Aaron > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> On 8/7/2012 4:24 PM, Doug Lee > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> My understanding is that > > AIR's > > > > > accessibility is UIA-based, and the > > > > > > > > >>> MSAA support provided for UIA > > controls is > > > > > both limited and somewhat > > > > > > > > >>> non-standard in my > > experience, which > > > > > means screen readers that rely > > > > > > > > >>> only on MSAA will struggle in > > these > > > > > cases. I don't remember if WE > > > > > > > > >>> includes any direct UIA > > access features > > > > > for scripters, though I'm > > > > > > > > >>> sure there are those on this > > list with > > > > > very concrete answers to that > > > > > > > > >>> question. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at > > 03:36:13PM -0400, > > > > > Cory Samaha wrote: > > > > > > > > >>> It seems to be short on MSAA > > events (I > > > > > tried running WeEvent). Of > > > > > > > > >>> course, I could be missing > > something. > > > > > The direct URL for the > > > > > > > > >>> importer > > > > > > > > > is: > > > > > > > > >>> https://images-na.ssl-images- > > > amazon.com/images/G/01/digital/music/up > > > > > > > > >>> l o ader/a > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pp/win/AmazonMusicImporterInstaller-2.0.0._V392838521_.exe > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> I'm not sure if that URL is > > session > > > > > specific; I don't think it is. > > > > > > > > >>> If that doesn't work, go to > > > > > > > > >>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/mp3/player > > > > > > > > >>> and login to amazon. Once > > there, click > > > > > import music. When you > > > > > > > > >>> click import music, there is > > an in page > > > > > dialog which comes up > > > > > > > > >>> allowing you to download the > > importer, > > > > > but WE does not read this > > > > > > > > >>> automatically. A lot of > > mouse nav action > > > > > has to be done to even get > > > > > > > > >>> this thing downloaded. The > > only way I > > > > > was able to get the direct > > > > > > > > >>> URL to the importer which I > > gave above is > > > > > because I reviewed the > > > > > > > > >>> source of this > > > > > > > > > page. > > > > > > > > >>> Cory > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > >>> From: Aaron Smith [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > > > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, > > 2012 2:48 PM > > > > > > > > >>> To: [email protected] > > > > > > > > >>> Subject: Re: scripting Adobe > > AIR > > > > > applications > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> There may be some MSAA > > event/window > > > > > information you could use. Where > > > > > > > > >>> does one find this program? > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> Aaron > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> On 8/7/2012 2:15 PM, Cory > > Samaha wrote: > > > > > > > > >>>> Hi all, > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> As much as I don't care > > for some of > > > > > the recent products from adobe, > > > > > > > > >>>> there are some programs > > which would > > > > > be nice to have access to which > > > > > > > > >>>> use the Adobe AIR > > runtime. One that > > > > > recently comes to mind is the > > > > > > > > >>>> Amazon music importer, > > which is > > > > > similar to iTunes music match I > > > > > > > > >>>> believe in the sense that > > it searches > > > > > your computer and will match > > > > > > > > >>>> music files on your hard > > drive with > > > > > music from the Amazon mp3 catalog. > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> Anyway, I was wondering > > if Adobe AIR > > > > > has an accessible framework of > > > > > > > > >>>> any kind? I was > > thinking maybe it > > > > > would be possible to get some of > > > > > > > > >>>> the programs to speak > > with WE, > > > > > similar to the WE4Java project. I > > > > > > > > >>>> don't know much about the > > Adobe AIR > > > > > API, so before I waste time, I > > > > > > > > >>>> was wondering if anyone > > else has > > > > > already explored this area before. > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > >>>> If I am not mistaken, > > other screen > > > > > readers such as NVDA tout > > > > > > > > >>>> support for Adobe AIR. > > I loaded the > > > > > above mentioned amazon music > > > > > > > > >>>> importer with NVDA and > > couldn't get > > > > > anything to speak. I'm not > > > > > > > > >>>> sure if that's a problem > > with AIR or > > > > > poor design on Amazon's part. > > > > > > > > >>>> If a project could be > > done to get WE > > > > > to work with AIR though, that > > > > > > > > >>>> would be > > > > > > > > > cool. > > > > > > > > >>>> Any > > > > > > > > >>> thoughts? > > > > > > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > > > > > > >>>> Cory > > > > > > > > >>> -- > > > > > > > > >>> Aaron Smith > > > > > > > > >>> Web Development * App > > Development * > > > > > Product Support Specialist GW > > > > > > > > >>> Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport > > North Office > > > > > Park, Fort Wayne, IN 46825 > > > > > > > > >>> 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> To insure that you receive > > proper > > > > > support, please include all past > > > > > > > > >>> correspondence (where > > applicable), and > > > > > any relevant information > > > > > > > > >>> pertinent to your situation > > when > > > > > submitting a problem report to the > > > > > > > > >>> GW Micro Technical Support > > Team. > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >> -- > > > > > > > > >> Aaron Smith > > > > > > > > >> Web Development * App Development > > * Product > > > > > Support Specialist GW > > > > > > > > >> Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North > > Office Park, > > > > > Fort Wayne, IN 46825 > > > > > > > > >> 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> To insure that you receive proper > > support, > > > > > please include all past > > > > > > > > >> correspondence (where > > applicable), and any > > > > > relevant information > > > > > > > > >> pertinent to your situation when > > submitting a > > > > > problem report to the > > > > > > > > >> GW Micro Technical Support Team. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Aaron Smith > > > > > > > > > Web Development * App Development * > > Product > > > > > Support Specialist GW > > > > > > > > > Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North > > Office Park, Fort > > > > > Wayne, IN 46825 > > > > > > > > > 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To insure that you receive proper > > support, please > > > > > include all past > > > > > > > > > correspondence (where applicable), > > and any > > > > > relevant information > > > > > > > > > pertinent to your situation when > > submitting a > > > > > problem report to the GW > > > > > > > > > Micro Technical Support Team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Aaron Smith > > > > > > > > Web Development * App Development * > > Product Support > > > > > Specialist GW Micro, > > > > > > > > Inc. * 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort > > Wayne, IN > > > > > 46825 > > > > > > > > 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To insure that you receive proper support, > > please > > > > > include all past > > > > > > > > correspondence (where applicable), and any > > relevant > > > > > information pertinent to > > > > > > > > your situation when submitting a problem > > report to the > > > > > GW Micro Technical > > > > > > > > Support Team. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Aaron Smith > > > Web Development * App Development * Product Support > > Specialist > > > GW Micro, Inc. * 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort > > Wayne, IN 46825 > > > 260-489-3671 * gwmicro.com > > > > > > To insure that you receive proper support, please > > include all past > > > correspondence (where applicable), and any relevant > > information > > > pertinent to your situation when submitting a problem > > report to the GW > > > Micro Technical Support Team. > > > > > > > > >
