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Rick,
You are probably right, too many pop-ups that change focus and Windoweyes
does not like pop-ups, Avast is one of them, and the cursor never gets back
unless you do an alt-a...
My system is Windows NT with XP professional and both it and the Windows 7
notebook are 32 bit machines.
When going to the Windows 7 the editor worked better but did have it's hang
moment, but I think there is one or 2 things I did not disable. I suspect I
have to disable anything automatic, with the hope it does...
I think there is an error suggestion auto that also can be disabled, I will
look at that for I think that one is still active.
I did not install SQL, but it did download all the SQL stuff and the
Options menu has all the SQL and data base settings there and maybe that is by
default.
So, will go around and shut everything off!
Thanks, I will get the ram size later but do think the XP is only around
250 meg or 300 meg and the notebook is 4 G but not sure.
Bruce
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: Visual Basic 2010 Event List and Window
Hi Bruce: The IDE is very dynamic. It opens and closes windows without
telling you and moves them and their tags around without telling you. This has
a big negative impact on screen readers, at least WindowEyes.
The trick is to try and stop all this from happening or to limit it so a
screen reader can find things and not worry about overlapping windows at the
same time.
While in the Code Editor the major problem has been the Error Window or list.
This can pop up while you type, try to type, in the Code window and sometimes
nothing is read by the screen reader and you only notice some unpredictable
behavior like trying to type something and having what you type be entered in
the wrong location or not being able to read words or lines using the standard
Windows keys and I think even what would appear as slow response.
Other windows like the Properties Window and others can overlap or be
overlapped while you try and work in them which causes a ping or the inability
to be able to work in say a TextBox cleanly without pinging and sometimes not
being able to enter or remove data properly.
Let me ask you about your machine configuration.
What processor are you running ( core-dueo or quad or whatever and what os,
think you mentioned Windows 7. Also how much ram and how much available hard
disk do you have available?
The newer os Windows 7 and Visual Studio, vb.net, are really memory hogs and
if you installed sql server express it is a huge memory hog as well.
Dont try and uninstall sql server since you can just turn it off and not have
any potential problems if your memory is running low.
Also, a 32 bit machine requires les memory by half of whatever a 64 bit
machine requires. 2 gig is about the absolute minimum to have things run in a
decent fashon in a 32 bit environment and I would guess 4 gig for a 64 bit
machine.
Let me know what your current setup is and I will continue with the simple
TestProject so you can determine what is going on.
Have you created it, that is a project with a form (note your form needs to
be large enough to hold the controls you drop on it and you need to position
them so they dont overlap and fit within the boundries of the form as mentioned
in my last posting.
I use pixels since you know your screen resolution and can ensure everything
is fitting on it while analyzing any potential problems with overlaps.
If you are this far I will do a little browsing of the options to see what to
check out next but first let me know what your computer is, the os, 32 or 64,
ram and disk space.
Also let me know if you installed sql server express since that could have an
impact on performance but is less likely the problem than some dynamic activity
within the IDE itself causing the code editor problems.
Sorry it takes me so long to figure things out but I am a little slow and
methodocal when trying to figure anything out.
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: BX
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: Visual Basic 2010 Event List and Window
Hi Rick,
I had been all that you have mentioned so far but at first had not
unchecked some of the items. It improved things a little, but no matter what is
done even in Windows 7 the code editor for no reason hangs, sometimes for a
minute until it decides to regain focus.
I don't know why, but that is the issue with the code editor. I still think
something is trying to display, a suggestion or something, what ever it is, it
just hangs the pointer and can not do anything until it comes back...
Thanks for the help, it has made it a little better, but some work to
get focus back immediately would be very helpful.\
Thanks, Bruce
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Visual Basic 2010 Event List and Window
Hi Rick,
That is what I do to make fast changes in the .vb file before loading
the Designer again. My biggest problem is screen slowness and the cursor not
focusing on the code editor. I get a little upset at that...
Bruce
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:03 AM
Subject: Re: Visual Basic 2010 Event List and Window
Open vb.net ide:
Click New Project under the FileMenu:
I hear Installed Templates Visual Basic and it is selected in the list
(only one in my case) of languages.
I tab and select Windows Forms Application
I tab and enter TestProject for the project name tab and click ok.
I am put into SolutionExplorer and the following structure is listed.
TestProject is the top level folder:
Under that is the My Project folder and the Form1.vb object.
Lets just save our project for another run at making it accessible.
I just hit alt+f4
I am asked if I want to save or discard changes and I cllick save.
The SaveProject Dialog comes up you can tab around to hear the items.
I leave the name as TestProject
I tab and enter c:\ in the location box
I tab and leave the solution name as TestProject
I tab and leave the create directory for project checked (I often
uncheck this but leave it checked for now).
I tab and click the Save button and the project is saved and the IDE
closed.
I went under c:\ and found the TestProject folder with the basic
modules in it.
Post me when you get this far.
xpanded 2 items is read and the top level object.
----- Original Message -----
From: BX
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: Visual Basic 2010 Event List and Window
Hi Rick,
Last night when I had some errors the cursor and mouse would do
nothing. It sat there for minutes it seemed and just did nothing. So I had to
give up on it. I do not know what is going on for I was just trying to get back
into the code editor for the last run and it would not. The voice at times
seemed to go on like it was on a run-away and once in a while you would get a
chirp or something to indicate the voice is in some kind of infinite loop...
That is the main problem I have with the code editor and
Windoweyes.
Bruce
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: Visual Basic 2010 Event List and Window
Hi Bruce: I very, very often use NotePad to create or modify
code if I think I will have allot of changes.
What I do is to copy and paste sample code or other code I have
developed and tested into notepad. Then make the changes and paste them into
the code editor. Then I hit "i" under the View menu and a list of errors will
pop up. I then use the mouse keys to go through them one at a time. I move the
mouse to one of the messages and hit the left mouse click, think twice. That
takes me to the line of code where the error is located inside the code editor.
The messages in the Error list also tell you the class, and method and line
number where the error is located if you want to make a note of it to research
the error later.
I fix that error and then I hit "i" under the view menu to get
the error list again and left click the next error I want to fix. I do this
until I get a clean compile.
Before you start working on a project for the day or for a long
period of time, perhaps a couple of hours, find your project folder then copy
and paste it into the same folder. This will give you a backup copy of the
project in case things go horribly wrong as they have done from time to time.
If you really get stuck in the Forms Designer you can use NVDA in
there and it at least reads much better than WindowEyes.
Some folks said they had no problems with NVDA in the Code Editor
but I couldnt get it to read but again, I have no clue about the hot keys to
make NVDA do anything at all but that is something I was going to look into
downline.
The only problem I had running both WindowEyes and NVDA at the
same time was that after using NVDA in the Forms Designer the WindowEyes Mouse
keys seemed to stop working, perhaps I was doing something wrong with NVDA.I
Rebooted or closed vb.net and ReOpened it I dont remember which, to get full
WindowEyes mouse key actions again.
But using the combination of NVDA and WindowEyes showed me things
could be more accessible which is what I was looking at when working on the
vb.net 2010 script.
In any case I can create and deploy vb.net projects using vb.net
2008 so I am guessing 2010 isnt that much different and that is indeed what I
have heard from folks who use it.
If anything is annoying try and let me know and I will see if I
can find a work-around you can live with.
I have done this for so long that I might be taking something for
granted that you might have questions about so dont hesitate to ask if
something doesnt work well enough to get the job done in a timely fashon.
I dont know why the typing would be slow, mine is almost as fast
as I can type. Could be vb.net 2010 or some setting in the options for the code
editor or, if you are unning the new version of WindowEyes some problem with
WindowEyes its hard to tell since there are so many moving parts to the
accessibility puzzle.
Well, keep playing with vb.net and let me know how you are making
out.
Also, if you did not change the options for vb.net to reduce some
of the dynamic stuff it may be impacting your use of the code editor. If that
is the case let me know and we can walk through a few of them to see if we can
get that puppy running a little better.
Rick USA
