Hi Jim: I am not sure that I can answer the question about changing the behaviour of the shift change key in Microsoft Word, but for the other part about scripting a hotkey can be explained as follows. If you have set a hotkey in a setfile, then you use that hotkey for something else in an ap, the latter will overwrite the former. Kevin Huber
On 4/26/14, Jim <jhomme1...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > I want to start small, so I was thinking of doing two things. First, > just changing the behavior of a global app that has a license that > makes it OK to do that. Second, changing some behavior in Word. The > second thing is what I have a question about. And I wanted to ask what > the relationship might be between an app for Word and whatever is also > there from the factory, but I'm unsure how to ask the question, so > I'll just keep rambling. > > Here are two examples. The Window-eyes key for speaking a summary > conflicts with the one Word uses to open the Styles dialog. Ignoring > that you can use the bypass key for now, is the best course of action > to just change the summary key, or somehow script a solution. > > Here is a second behavior in Word. The Shift+F3 key stroke changes > case. I thought it would also be good if Window-eyes would read the > changed text. Where does the message come from that tells the user > that Shift-F3 is the change case command, and is scripting a good > solution for making Window-eyes read the selected text? > > Maybe another way to ask this is this. If you define a key in a script > file, does that override a key you have set up in a set file? And > exactly what is the hierarchy of what happens and whe? > > > Thanks. > > Jim > On 4/26/14, LB <lab...@fltg.net> wrote: >> Hi Rod, >> >> Yes, many ways to approach the app you wanted. If the person who >> wanted >> stays on one screen all the time there would be no issues. I just wrote >> it >> to make sure it was that window; adding that that this window would have >> to >> take focus when you simulate a key stroke. >> But since there was only an issue of walking away then a single >> window >> operation is OK. >> >> My app ends up being something I like and as you where is the time. I >> spend an hour doing a new idea and have many things in the app to use but >> have not placed them in; smile, I may be running out of hotkeys for it, >> He >> He... >> >> If you want to know news, or just information, such as the Science >> web >> site, then my app is an OK one to run. For you can program in what web >> site >> you would like to look at all the time and you have 3 choices to view it, >> in >> list form, in text form, or just flat out go to that web site... >> I also expose the links on a page with a hotkey so a person can store >> it, then move it, to any place you need it by copying it in the clipboard >> when displaying it in a message box. >> >> All is about priorities in life. In the end I will look at the web >> site >> inside a timer and compare it with the last posting to see if anything >> has >> changed in order to alert a person of new breaking news. Or, use the >> search >> feature to scan for something a person may want to monitor, I have 4 more >> options to add to the list of things it can do since I use 0 to 9 as my >> tree >> values... >> >> So, time to walk the dog and get busy. Next week, probably next >> month, >> will be doing my second half of my roof, placing new metal roofing on the >> entire house myself. >> >> Take care and experiment with it and have fun. >> >> Bruce >> >> >> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:23 PM >> Subject: Re: An app which prevents merchant service logout >> >> >> Hi Bruce, >> >> Yes, there certainly are many ways to write such an app. Indeed, >> although I wrote my app with warning messages in order to prevent >> problems, now it seems that they don't want to hear messages, and so I >> am rewriting my app to allow this. I think it's kind of dangerous, >> though. We'll see how it turns out. However, Bruce, I really >> appreciate all your time and effort in trying to teach me what I need to >> know in order to write the best app possible. To be honest, it's kind >> of scary to think that your PC could be programmed to trip you up, but >> it can! smile >> >> I wish I had more time to look at other things, including your Breaking >> News, but there's just so much to do from day to day. smile >> >> Good luck, though, >> >> Rod >> >> On 4/25/14 8:48 PM, LB wrote: >>> Hi Rod, >>> >>> Before commenting on what you did I decided tonight to add more key >>> functions into my Breaking News app so you can also read the history you >>> are on, move through the history list and see what is there without >>> loading each, and even delete history spots, along with alerting you if >>> you are at the end or start of the history list; all using the arrow >>> keys >>> when in the control panels, Alert, List, and Editbox...for reading. >>> I now added CtrlLeft, CtrlRight, CtrlUp, and CtrlDown with CtrlShiftUp >>> Arrow to delete a history URL. >>> >>> About your app: >>> Yes, what you did is what I hoped you would do. I sent you >>> something >>> that only works in one given window and it was the reason why I wrote it >>> that way. >>> >>> I just wanted to make sure you did not get a key stroke in some >>> other >>> app which would mess you up or the person who wanted it would mess up. >>> >>> I guess you could add that window handle to the app for enhanced >>> security just like I did, making sure only the window you are in is >>> doing >>> the key stroke. >>> Also, I wanted a normal key stroke and not a windoweyes key stroke >>> so >>> I chose a standard keyboard key and not the reading of the title Bar. >>> >>> but, as long as it works for you that is OK with me, I just added >>> more precautions in the one I gave you. >>> >>> but, as I said, when activating it with the hotkey, you can capture >>> the window you are in and just add an if statement inside the set time >>> function so it gets bypassed when not in the window you want. >>> >>> but, having said that you would also have to focus to that window, >>> have the key stroke perform, then go back to the window you are in. >>> Which brings up another feature, monitor the window handle to see >>> if >>> a key stroke only happens in the window being monitored...lots of ideas >>> for a simple app. >>> that is if you really want a nice working, 1 window, key stroke... >>> >>> As long as it works then wait and see if you do in fact need to >>> monitor windows. >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 4:23 PM >>> Subject: Re: An app which prevents merchant service logout >>> >>> >>> Hi Bruce, >>> >>> Yes, I caught that. Thanks. smile >>> >>> After all your work, and my trying to get the app to behave reliably, it >>> turned out for me that my initial inspiration of how to write the app >>> won the day. Here is a link to my package on my DropBox: >>> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvrb1gqbl3j0bgs/KeyboardActivity.wepm >>> >>> It works, it's safe, and it does the job. See if you agree. smile >>> >>> All the best, >>> >>> Rod >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/14 3:20 PM, LB wrote: >>>> Dim globaltimerVal: globalTimerVal = .25 'Minutes >>>> Rod, >>>> >>>> This value I had placed there should be changed either to 10 or >>>> 15 >>>> instead of .25 to make sure you wait 10 minutes or more or what you >>>> want >>>> to have as the delay. >>>> At the moment it will go off in around 15 seconds because it is .25 and >>>> I >>>> am not sure if that is what you were talking about. >>>> You can also add a menu, placing an option to change the time to >>>> what you want. Or just add a radio box with minute values in it so you >>>> can change it. Adding a second hotkey to make the change and get stored >>>> in the .ini file. >>>> I did not do that but could to make it run easier. Just have been >>>> running around and not been on the computer long except to upload the >>>> 2.6 >>>> version of Breaking News. >>>> >>>> As always, when someone does a review they give low marks. But >>>> since my Breaking News app is a work in progress and lots of it will be >>>> taken out as I refine it, I have to live with such reviews. As always, >>>> try not to take attempts in helping others personal. >>>> >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: An app which prevents merchant service logout >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Bruce, >>>> >>>> I had sent you a message on your bronx lab address last night, but it's >>>> not important now. I have been monkeying around with the app for >>>> almost >>>> a day now, and you're quite right about it having timing issues. I'm >>>> still working on it, and I just want to say thanks for all your help. >>>> >>>> Take care, >>>> >>>> Rod >>>> >>>> On 4/24/14 2:51 PM, LB wrote: >>>>> Hi Rod, >>>>> >>>>> I forgot to mention, the Control-Shift-3 toggles the program >>>>> from >>>>> on to off so those 2 speech lines must remain so a person knows there >>>>> monitoring the keyboard. >>>>> >>>>> I felt this was the best way to run the program, toggle it on >>>>> and >>>>> when not needed, toggle it off. Of course it is off when Windoweyes is >>>>> loaded and only on for the window you are on when the hotkey is hit. >>>>> Even though the timer is always reset when a key is up, it >>>>> might >>>>> cause problems for timing issues some times. >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:43 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: An app which prevents merchant service logout >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Rod, >>>>> >>>>> There are a lot of things in this app that should not be there. >>>>> Most are for debugging and see if event handling was done correctly. >>>>> >>>>> You can take out all the speaking and such, or just comment >>>>> them >>>>> out. I left the all keys up in just in case it is needed, but is not. >>>>> >>>>> So the only thing that is in my app I sent you is it is >>>>> triggered >>>>> using Control-Shift-3 and not 4. that was in conflict with another app >>>>> so 3 had to be used. >>>>> >>>>> You can use any key you want to trigger a key event for the >>>>> person who wants or needs such a thing. What ever works can be used. >>>>> This can open and close a tree view or move back and forth in an >>>>> editbox, or text... >>>>> >>>>> So test it, have fun with it, and I think it should work for >>>>> what >>>>> you needed. >>>>> >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 3:57 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: An app which prevents merchant service logout >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Bruce, >>>>> >>>>> I noticed that the line containing Keyboard.WaitForAllKeysUp is still >>>>> commented out; is this your intention? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Rod >>>>> >>>>> On 4/23/14 3:28 PM, LB wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rod, >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is the entire program to allow you to set the timer for >>>>>> a >>>>>> given window. I activate this using a hotkey such as Control-Shift-3 >>>>>> keys. >>>>>> I can send you the entire package I made to you instead of uploading >>>>>> the app to app central, but maybe I will do that for those who may >>>>>> want >>>>>> it. >>>>>> You have to change the time to the desired time you want. I >>>>>> placed it at 15 seconds here or .25 minutes as shown below. I did >>>>>> this >>>>>> for testing and you can install this app and test it to see what I >>>>>> have >>>>>> done. >>>>>> i use the left and right arrow to trigger and it only does it in the >>>>>> window you had first set the app running. >>>>>> The insert key requires 2 key values so if no modifiers just >>>>>> put kmNone as I have done. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will also zip up the entire app, including the .xml and let >>>>>> you try it out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bruce >>>>>> >>>>>> Entire App: >>>>>> Dim oKeyActiveWindow: set oKeyActiveWindow = Nothing >>>>>> Dim oKeyActiveChildren: Set oKeyActiveChildren = Nothing >>>>>> Dim myKeyboard: Set myKeyboard = Keyboard >>>>>> Dim globalTimer: globaltimer = 0 >>>>>> Dim globaltimerVal: globalTimerVal = .25 'Minutes >>>>>> Dim myKeyboardConnection: myKeyboardConnection = 0 >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Initial setting of timer. >>>>>> ' my_KeyUpConnection = ConnectEvent( Keyboard, "OnKeyProcessedUp", >>>>>> "OnKeyProcessedUp") >>>>>> >>>>>> Sub Key_Monitoring( myKeyId) >>>>>> 'This routine is called when the hotkey Control-Shift-4 is >>>>>> pressed. >>>>>> If Keyboard.KeyDescriberActive Then >>>>>> Speak myStrings(myKeyId & "_Description") >>>>>> Else >>>>>> 'Main routine functionality goes here >>>>>> Queue "Activate_Monitoring" >>>>>> End If >>>>>> End Sub >>>>>> >>>>>> Sub Activate_Monitoring() >>>>>> 'Assumes present program when hotkey is hit is the active >>>>>> application for monitoring. >>>>>> If myKeyboardConnection = 0 Then >>>>>> set oKeyActiveWindow = activeWindow.overlap >>>>>> ' Filter keyboard events for only this process >>>>>> ' myKeyboard.FilterProcess = oKeyActiveWindow.Process >>>>>> On Error GoTo 0 >>>>>> ' handle all MSAA event types >>>>>> myKeyboardConnection = ConnectEvent( Keyboard, >>>>>> "OnKeyProcessedUp", "MonitoringKeyUp") >>>>>> Silence >>>>>> Speak " Keyboard Monitoring Is Turned On! " >>>>>> Sleep 1000 >>>>>> ResetTimer globalTimerVal >>>>>> Else >>>>>> Disconnect myKeyboardConnection >>>>>> myKeyboardConnection = 0 >>>>>> On Error Resume Next >>>>>> If globaltimer > 0 Then >>>>>> StopTimer globalTimer >>>>>> globalTimer = 0 >>>>>> End If >>>>>> Set oKeyActiveWindow = Nothing >>>>>> Silence >>>>>> Speak " Keyboard Monitoring Is Shut Off! " >>>>>> Sleep 1000 >>>>>> End If >>>>>> End Sub >>>>>> >>>>>> Sub MonitoringKeyUp( ky, km) >>>>>> 'Key up was processed. >>>>>> If oKeyActiveWindow.Handle = activeWindow.overlap.Handle Then >>>>>> Silence >>>>>> Speak " Key Is Up " >>>>>> Sleep 1000 >>>>>> Queue "ResetTimer", globalTimerVal >>>>>> End If >>>>>> End Sub >>>>>> >>>>>> Sub ResetTimer( ByVal timerVal) >>>>>> If globaltimer > 0 Then >>>>>> StopTimer globalTimer >>>>>> globalTimer = 0 >>>>>> End If >>>>>> ' Convert time to milliseconds. >>>>>> timerVal = timerVal * 60 * 1000 >>>>>> globalTimer = StartTimer( timerVal, "DoTab" ) >>>>>> Speak " Timer Is Set " >>>>>> Sleep 1000 >>>>>> End Sub >>>>>> >>>>>> Sub DoTab() >>>>>> If oKeyActiveWindow.Handle = activeWindow.overlap.Handle Then >>>>>> 'Keyboard.WaitForAllKeysUp() >>>>>> Keyboard.InsertKey vk_Right, kmNone >>>>>> Sleep 2000 >>>>>> Keyboard.InsertKey vk_Left, kmNone 'kmShift >>>>>> Sleep 2000 >>>>>> End If >>>>>> ResetTimer globalTimerVal >>>>>> End Sub >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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