Hi,
I have not Blanche Paynes book, but i think i must have it, is it still available? If it is a danish mantua you are reffering to, it has a pattern draft of it in: Ellen Andersen "Moden i 1700 årene" I also made this mantua once in a green dupioni, as i could not afford anything else at that time. The danish mantua dates from 1695 - 1709 (because that timeperiod, the lady who owned it was married. It is made of a french silk patterned with large scale scrolls of leaves and flowers, heavily with goldthread and emerald green bottom. Has a large train and sleave cuffs are buttoned with two buttons. Sleaves have many layed down pleats wich so often is seen in Watteaus paintings. Cuffs are pleated also a la raquette. The fronts are pleated to the waist and the overskirt is lifted up in the sides by cord and button back in the bodice. The back of the bodice is so beatifull with deep pleats. If someone wants, i could help with a pattern, only i must warn you about the sleave curve is not correctly made because they did not fold all the pleats when they drew the curve. This dress is the eldest whole garment in Denmark. It was exhibited last year on the national museum where they had an exhibition about the danish manorhouses. It also is very heavy because of the gold threads. In the underskirt it has pockets - yes real folded pockets in the side seams. It is my favourite museum dress.

Bjarne


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacqueline Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: [h-cost] source for 1700-1710 Mantua


I didn't go that far back I was looking at 18th century. I did see the dress
on page 413 figure 434 and thought at fast glance that was it. But as it's
at the Copenhagen Museum that is unlikely.

On 10/9/05, Susan B. Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Quoting Jacqueline Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I own Blanche Payne and just looked through it quickly. I don't see the
gown
> there and I looked through that section. I also checked the drafts
section
> and don't see it there. I wondered though cause this is my favorite book
and
> thought I had seen it there too. I have a 1965 copy. Think that makes a
> difference?
>


http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/09/euwb/hob_1991.6.1a,b.htm

I've always *loved* this dress. A very similar dress is on page 377 of
my edition of Blanche Payne -- pattern is on 553-555.

Susan
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Susan Farmer
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University of Tennessee
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/


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