Bjarne wrote

It develloped trough the 1730ies and became the largest size in the 1740ies. It started to be a dome shaped pannier, became flattened and started to extend to the sides. Then in the 1760ies it grew smaller again, and ended up with bumrolls in 1770ies and 80ies.
The french claims it is english invention, english vise versa.
French story was that two english ladies walked in a park with huge panniers in a french park, and they started a fashion very quickly. The english version, i dont know.

The wide pannier continued at the English court, as Court Dress, until the death of Queen Charlotte (well in to the 19th century) as it was her preference. I believe the Prince Regent hated the fashion, and as soon as his mother was dead, ordered that it should not be worn again. I do not have chapter and verse for his feelings, but I do have fashion plates of Regency style bodices, with panniers starting under the bust!!

Suzi

During my trip to England this past summer I happened upon a doll that I think dates to the late 17th, early 18th century, based upon the style of doll that it is. The doll was in a museum that didn't have a date on the doll and of course I was deep in a whole other project at the time and didn't ask if there was more information. So now that I need to get a better date if possible, I was hoping I could use the doll's clothing as a guide.

She wears panniers- the huge at the side kind of bustle thing-it's not my period at all, so excuse me if I have that wrong.

Can anyone give me beginning and end dates of when this style was worn in England? The doll itself is housed in Norwich, in a museum that could be using toys from the families that have lived in this house since the 14th century, but I don't know if this doll was a gift to the museum or not.

 any help give is much appreaciated.

 Alexandria
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