I still consider this conical.
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary1.jpg
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Mary.jpg
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth5.jpg
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/IsabelPortugal.jpg
this almost can be tubilar
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/TBBodenham.jpg
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/ElenoraToledo.jpg

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Yes, but those are all later Elizabethans. The conical shape is really
empasized in later years. Earlier is closer to tubular than those late
examples - especially if you're like me and have size 0 shoulders and size 4
hips!

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