That and there is a huge difference in cut between the early elizabethan stays and the 18thC stays. Even the effigy stays are cut with only three pieces...the 18thC ones are cut in five or more. That seaming adds a lot to the position of the breast within the stays.
Kelly/estela
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Tubular to me means straight like a toilet paper roll. Elizabethan is cone.
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth15.jpg
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth25.jpg
http://www.tudor-portraits.com/Elizabeth.jpg

Yes, but those are all later Elizabethans. The conical shape is really empasized in later years. Earlier is closer to tubular than those late examples - especially if you're like me and have size 0 shoulders and size 4 hips!
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