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Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1850s ballgown a lace berthe or fichu


The fichu isn't very ball gown to me. A bertha would be more formal I think.


Actually I have only seen fichus used with ballgowns in the 1850s (I know they were used to fill in necklines in earlier decades but what Godeys is calling a fichu in 1859 sits off the shoulder and therefore wouldn't fill in a neckline).
http://rawimages.myphotoalbum.com/f/fo/for/form/forme/formetoknow/albums/album01/1859_evening_wear.jpg
this is from the same year as the pattern I mentioned and it looks like it's the same shape with different decoration

http://rawimages.myphotoalbum.com/f/fo/for/form/forme/formetoknow/albums/album01/1855_Evening_Dresses_Petit_Courier_Des_Dames2.jpg
this one shows a fichu that matches the gown, so it's probably doesn't count as it wouldn't work well with other gowns

http://rawimages.myphotoalbum.com/f/fo/for/form/forme/formetoknow/albums/album01/1855_Evening_dress_Dame_Tidende92.jpg
and this one shows 2 fichus which are a rather different shape to the pattern in Godeys.

I made an entire Ball gown out of Cafe curtain fabric I bought by the pound at a mill outlet. The stuff was only like 18" or 20" wide and I cut the hem off...which made it look very curtain-like...instead cutting around the lace pattern just above the straight hem...which made it scalloped. Yes it was 100% polyester but it looked great! So I'd say hit the curtain department of your local mill outlet and see what's lacy. You could even get enough to sew some
tiers on the skirt maybe.

But before I can buy anything I need to know what I'm looking for so I've got to find a way to identify what sort of patterns would be used in mid 19th century lace.
Elizabeth
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Elizabeth Walpole
Canberra Australia
ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au
http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/

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