Thanks for help! Gonna search through our art museum library... But the more I search, the more I'm confused about what the word really means. Now I've found an explanation in one of the Czech history of costume books and it says that the "alchubba" was a long dress of mohammeds, opened in front. In 12th century it came to Europe with the crusades. They say that the word later changed to "Schaube", which was a large cloak worn in the entire Europe, especially in the time of Reformation. So the famous Henry VIII-portrait-like robes are probably those called Schaube. Are there some resources about the original garment? The arabian one?
----- Original Message ----- From: "michaela" To: "Historical Costume" Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Schaube >> I need a little help: I'm looking for pictures and patterns for this > kind of dress: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Schaube.PNG >> it is called "Schaube" in German, originally from arabian "aljubbeh" or > something like that. Somewhere I found that it is also called "robe", > which > is probably not very helpful, because the word "robe" can mean many > different things. > > Sort of but robe generally (should) refer to a garment that hangs from the > shoulders as opposed to something that fits the torso or else fulfills > the > function of a modern coat (which can be semi fitted to the body but > usually > not form fitting.) Surcoat, Ropa these are similar items of the 16thC. > Schaube is used in this sort of generalised term usually too. > >> It is a sort of a shorter cloak, often with fur. I cannot tell more, as > the robe was changing through centuries and the word for it was still the > same. > > Not always shorter, it was many different lengths and it is possible they > all had different names depending on the specific use. Women wore them and > they can be seen in many images. I collected several but it's so hard to > hunt them out in the first place I wouldn't really know where to direct > you! > >> How's that called in English? Do you know any details about this kind >> of > dress or where to find them? Books, webpages? With pictures or patterns? > > The surcoats in Patterns of Fashion aren't too bad to go by. Then the Ropa > in Alcega are also of a similar design. Many men wear them in portraits by > German artists, and there are a number of them for women but they are > usually seen full length in woodcuts or illuminations etc. > > Michaela > who just handed on her Scahube as it was much too big in the shoulders. > Super snuggly and warm though. > http://glittersweet.com > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list [email protected] http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
