(By the way, I apologize-- I have no idea why my message seem to show up with 
an attachment, it doesn't happen with anything else I do...I'm certainly NOT 
attaching anything when I send...)

I'd say the sleeves we see in 14th c. art are almost exclusively part of a 
whole garment, not a separate item. And while Renaissance sleeves are often 
shown laced on later on, there are also plenty of paintings showing pins 
securing sleeves in place. It's just that -we- don't think that way!

Astrida

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Zuzana Kraemerova
Sent: Sun 3/18/2007 3:02 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: RE: [h-cost] 1350 - detachable sleeves?
 

    "Or how one might be attached (pins?), presumably to an underdress, but 
maybe not. But there are references to sleeves as separate garments all over 
the place (in literature as tournament favors, listed as separate items in the 
Great Wardrobe, in the Datini correspondence in Italy, etc. etc.). I don't know 
if I'm just not seeing something because illuminated images are tiny and can't 
show everything, or if I'm understanding "a pair of sleeves" as a modern 
person, or just haven't looked in the right places. Any insight?"
   
  Well, I don't think you could possibly find an evidence for such sleeves in 
illuminations, because you can never tell whether the sleeve under the short, 
often peaked sleeve is a part of an underdress or a separate sleeve. The 
attaching method would not be visible as well, because it must have been done 
from the inside - I'd guess by strings like in the renaissance. I think pins 
wouldn't work well.
  But this is just a hypothesis:-)

   

 
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