In very, very general terms the phenomenon you are looking at is known
as the "tailoring revolution."   It started roughly 1350s with the
advent of the button, in the higher echelons of society and as most
fashion/garment techniques moved down.   The flat bottom armhole that
we are talking about is an interesting study, not so frequently seen
in "higher" society - more readily seen in lower levels of society and
the working class.

And now it is far too late for me to write about this... must go sleep
and then think more before I make the whole thing into a horrid
muddle.

Mari

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Saragrace Knauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Those are very interesting observations Kass.  I just love that kind of 
> experimental investigation.
>  Now I will have to think about the progression from "sleeveless" to sleeved 
> - where/when did the style become less driven by fabric limitations and more 
> driven by fit and style....  (If I remember correctly the Shinrone gown 
> sleeve is just another rectangle sewn in the top of the armscye and ties 
> around the wrist??
>
>
>  Monica, I thought I was talking about new topics....  :)
>  Sg
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