Thanks Katy, you made it easy for me! Yes this is the dress i was speaking of.
Bjarne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katy Bishop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C I believe the dress in question is pictured on the MET museum site (I just found my copy of the book to look it up). It is featured on the first page on their highlights from the collection page. Dress (Robe à la Française), 1740s British; Country of Origin England Harris B. Dick Fund, 1995 (1995.235a, b) http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/index.aspx?dep=8&vw=0 Here is a link to the page for the dress: http://www.metmuseum.org/works_of_art/collection_database/the_costume_institute/Dress_Robe_a_la_Fran_aise/ViewObject.aspx?depNm=the_costume_institute&pID=1&kWd=&OID=80001010&vW=0&Pg=1&St=5&StOd=1&vT=2 You can zoom in,it is very unusual trim, not what everyone thinks of as trim from that period. very interesting. I wish the zoom was a bit more closeup! There's a detail in the book of the fly fringe. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Leif og Bjarne Drews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When tomorrow it is lighter, i shall photograph the dress from the book > and > post it for you all to see. It looks authentic to me! > > Bjarne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Laning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Historical Costume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:41 PM > Subject: Re: [h-cost] crochet 18th C > > > > Carol wrote: > >> Back to crochet -- yes, the simple chains and such were around in > the > >>18th century. Some of the cords on military drums are chained rope. > >> The reason for the "no crochet" pronouncement is that some people > >>want to use crocheted lace for 18th century. The explosion of lace > >>patterns occurred in the 19th century. > >> There are a number of different lace making techniques, many done > to > >>look like another type at various times throughout history. Tatting > >>to look like needle lace, etc. > >> Find the artifact for the era, copy the artifact. Depending on > the > >>level of accuracy desired, a pair of crocheted doilies may not work > >>for engageantes. I wouldn't use the chaining on fly fringe to > >>justify using them. > > > > I'd also be curious whether the museum specifically knows that the > crochet > > on this piece is original, or whether it could have been added a bit > > later.... forgive my skeptical reflex here, please! It certainly > _could_ > > be original if it's just chains and fastenings. > > > > I'd also like to see a photo, if Bjarne has a way to post it. It may be > > important to know exactly what this looks like. The more evidence we > have > > of what early crochet _was_ like, the better equipped we are to say > what > > it _wasn't_ like (granny squares, lace edgings, zigzag afghans....<g>). > > > > I'm convinced, personally, that bobbin lace was invented as a faster > and > > easier substitute for needle-made lace, which is very, very slow. And > then > > tape lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for bobbin > lace; > > crocheted lace was invented as a faster and easier substitute for > bobbin > > and tape laces, machine-made lace as a substitute for crocheted lace, > > chemically-dissolved lace as a substitute for machine-made lace.... > <grin> > > Of course, this is an *extremely* over-simplified view, but I think > > there's some truth in it. > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > 0 Chris Laning > > | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > + Davis, California > > http://paternoster-row.org - http://paternosters.blogspot.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > h-costume mailing list > > h-costume@mail.indra.com > > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > > > > > _______________________________________________ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > -- Katy Bishop, Vintage Victorian [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.VintageVictorian.com Custom reproduction gowns of the Victorian Era. Publisher of the Vintage Dress Series books. _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _______________________________________________ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
